Sunday, March 16, 2008

Apologies for my absense

I'm sorry I've been scarce with regards to posting. I had a really bad week healthwise and I now feel like I've caught a cold or flu (entirely possible since I spent two days at the hospital). The week wasn't all bad, though: my friend Vamp came over on Friday night and we had some Chinese and watched a silly movie ("Airplane"). That really did wonders for me emotionally. Vamp - if you're reading this, then we have to make it a point to do that more often.

We had another episode wherein one of the possums ran up against some ecuminical issues. P3 is in Kindergarten (for those outside the US, that is the first grade of public school...generally five years of age). She came home last week and said, "Did you know it's fun when you die because you get to be with God?" *cough*choke*boggle* WTF? There's a child in her class who is the daughter of a minister and, as the teacher said to PDaddy, "Yes. We've had other complaints. They're a little cult-y." I have been inquiring around about the other complaints and they range from this child telling kids that death is tons-o-fun and we are "living in the end times". Prior to this week, she was just a nosy little girl who kept asking everyone what church they went to...now she's officially become a little pain in my ass because she's scared P3!!! Seriously - who does that to a child? What kind of sick, twisted asshat tells a child that death is fun? I can, sort of, understand when a person close to a child dies and the people around the child suggest that the dead is no longer in pain or in heaven...I think the heaven bit is a lie, but...it's soothing, I suppose. But, suggesting that we'd all be happier dead is just completely screwed up. Suggesting, to a five year old child, that we're living in the "End times" and "Satan is upon us" is, in my very humble opinion, child abuse. Of course, the parents of Bummer-girl are saying that she has a constitutional right to scare the rest of the class with her doomsday shit. *rolls eyes* I didn't realize that children had a constitutional right to terrorize their classmates. I told P3 she needs to consider anything she says to be a lie...which I kind of hate doing, but there's really no alternative. I've told P3 to tell her teacher when Bummer-Girl gets her mojo on with the hellfire and brimstone. But, the fact that this is an issue in a PUBLIC SCHOOL KINDERGARTEN is twenty different ways of jacked up.


18 comments:

musingsofanaddict said...

Wonder what kind of screaming Bummer-girl's parents would do if P3 informed her there was no god. I'm betting they would not think constitutional rights extended to her ;)

Feel better soon - the flu sucks this year. My whole family just finished with that mess - it took us weeks to get over.

--Taylor

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Sorry to hear about the health issues , I don't know about what to do with the P3 issue though.

Is this a deliberate ploy or just a kid mouthing off what their parents are saying?

Jen said...

The little girl was probably just repeating what she hears in Bible class. I grew up in a very conservative Church of Christ church in the south and can totally hear myself saying those same words as a child, not really understanding what they meant.

I don't have children, but I do have a 6-year-old nephew and 4-year-old niece who are growing up in the same conservative Christian environment that my sister and I grew up in, and I've been thinking a lot about how to answer their questions regarding my lack of belief if/when they come. I think if I were in your shoes, I would just talk to my daughter about the fact that different people have different beliefs which aren't necessarily true. I'm sure that you do this anyway with your kids, but this is yet another opportunity to talk to them about what other people believe. Of course, I understand that a 5-year-old can only comprehend so much.

I hate it that your daughter was scared by this little girl. That's terrible. I also feel sorry for teachers who have to deal with situations like these. It makes me respect their jobs even more.

bugsoup said...

Sorry you aren't feeling well. I heard this was one of the worst flu seasons on record.

Just don't take Airborne:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_(dietary_supplement)#Class_action_lawsuit_and_settlement

Hope you feel better soon.

Mephitis said...

I'd be peeved too... and I feel sorry for that little girl, she's only repeating what she's been taught.

Personally I wouldn't frame it as this little girl telling lies as such, cos I could picture that turning into name-calling. Not P3 perhaps, but other kids might take it on. I'd explain that sometimes people deeply believe and feel things which aren't necessarily real.

It's a toughie, 'though. :( Hope P3 is happier again.

Poodles said...

Hope you get feeling better. The flu this year sucked. I agree with musingsofanaddict. I think if P3 started telling this little girl there wasn't a god, her parents would throw a tantrum.

This has to be abuse of some kind.

Betsy said...

I have to feel sorry for Bummer-girl. I was her when I was that age. I also went to public kindergarten and was always telling my friends crazy things I heard in church. Not that we'd be happier dead, but things like they were going to hell for wearing pants or jewelry. Bummer-girl is only repeating what she's hearing, as others have said. Hopefully when she's older she'll understand and regret that. I still (at 28) have the urge sometimes to look up my old elementary school classmates and beg their forgiveness! Hopefully P3 will learn not to take this girl seriously.
That being said, I hope you are feeling better soon.

reVAMPed said...

Yeah PM we should do that more often -- it just you're so-o-o far on the other side of town *giggles* it's not really a problem, well, okay, maybe the dadgum gas prices might be -- *giggles again*

And I put that "We're all going to Hell" video you showed me on my page...thanks for sharing it with me.

reVAMPed said...

I surely forgot to thank you for some damn good Chinese food too, by the way. And don't call me Shirley.

Kazim said...

I'm going to get a little controversial here and say that the parents are right: the little girl does have the right to spout whatever bullshit she wants. The school just isn't allowed to endorse it.

Oh, I suppose that if Possum tells her to stop and she refuses, then the teacher should be able to bring trouble for harassing and/or not playing nice with other students. But I wouldn't wait for that to happen; why not just accept it as an opportunity to teach possum that some people believe very stupid things?

Michelle said...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/03/am-i-raising-at.html

Gramomster said...

The death-is-so-much-fun-cuz-you-get-to-be-with-god thing...

My son answered the door to some Jehovah's witnesses yesterday, and this resulted in a very interesting conversation. He asked what the big deal about god supposedly sending his son to die here. Isn't everybody, according to the christians, god's child? So what the hell was so damn special about Jesus? And then he pointed out something - as I tried to explain, from what I remember, what I think might be the answer to his question - that I had never considered.
He said, if god knows that there's an afterlife, and Jesus will be going there after he dies, god hasn't really sacrificed his son at all, in any way. In fact, he was getting his son back. So, he now plans to counter the "How would you feel if you knew your only child had to die? Would you love anyting enough to let that happen?" kind of crap they dish with, "Well, isn't it more like he's welcoming a loved kid that he hadn't seen in 30 some years back home? So how would you feel if you lost your kid in some kind of war or something, and got him back when he was 30? Pretty sweet deal, right?"

Love my kid.

Poor P3. Why is Bummer girl in public school? Covert missionary? Shouldn't she be getting homeschooled and isolated or something?

Katie said...

Okay as a teacher when issues come up like this in a classroom the student in question is pulled aside and talked to about what they said. I've told them that this wasn't the time to talk about those things and that it was interrupting class time/making other children feel sad/etc.
Then I go on to ask and explain to the child that sometimes we should talk about those things while we are at "such and such place" and not during school time when we're all trying to learn.
This was taking place in the south and in a completely different culture which would be harder to get past in places like Cali. I do have to agree though that the kid is just spitting out what has been feed to her by her church and parents which is normal for kids at that age. The harassment idea is a good one to go with but I think a group meeting of both parents with teacher, principal and moderator would be a good place to bring it up.

victor laszlo said...

oh, P3's probably in a more advanced reading group than Jesus kid so I wouldn't worry too much....

Cogito said...

Oh, man, you are scaring me! (DD starts school in July.

I think if I were in this position, I'd tell my child that this little girl has mental issues and we should feel sorry for her, and not believe what she says.

Luckily, while mainstream religionists give lip service to heaven, as you say, when people die, usually they are as dedicated to preservation of life as any secular humanist, and I have to think that practically advocating death to 5yos is within the school's ability to curb.

Just make sue to tell P3 not to partake if this little zealot brings in Kool-Aid to share!

Anonymous said...

Well you could tell her that other little girl believes in things that are not true, but that make her feel good, just like you believe in Sant....oops! :)

Joe said...

Gramomster, your son is a lot brighter than I am. What a great outlook. I may use that one on the Chirsters myself.

CrypticLife said...

Little monster Jesus child actually does have the legal right to proselytize to her classmates.

I don't think there's anything wrong with telling your daughter that her classmate is deluded. Unfortunate that you have to confront it that early.

My own second-grader has had his own run-ins with schoolyard fundies. A classmate of his told him that the Earth was 6000 years old and put here by God. And this is in suburban NJ. Fortunately, they could find a science book which settled the argument. And, my son has a bright scientific mind and isn't easily pulled in by ludicrous pronouncements.