Monday, February 11, 2008

Mr. Kirk

If Kirk Cameron is still referred to as "Seaver", does that make Comfort a "Boner"?
For your reading pleasure (and amusement), I give you: "Seaver" Inspires at Chapel.

"Hundreds of students scanned in and out to hear teen heartthrob-turned-evangelist Kirk Cameron speak in Wednesday morning’s Chapel program.

Teen heartthrob? That's kind of dirty. Isn't KC pushing forty? That's like saying Tiffany is the coolest musician ever and we should all flock to a mall to hear her perform. It's twenty years too late. And, just for the record, I now feel SOOOOOO much better for turning down a full ride to Pepperdine in 1992.

"Cameron, who became a household name as “Mike Seaver” in the 1990s sitcom “Growing Pains,” shared with the Pepperdine crowd how his life has changed since his conversion to Christianity. The focus of Cameron’s message was that Christians must “go against the flow” if they desire to live fully for Christ.

So...Christians should go against the flow, huh? Alrighty then, it's hookers and blow for everyone. WOOOOOO!

"As Cameron came to the stage, he was met with loud cheers, particularly from the young women in the audience.
...and 10,000 students looked at their female professors with looks of shock and horror.

"Doing his best to transfer the spotlight away from his celebrity persona, he satisfied the audience’s “Mike Seaver fix” by lightheartedly performing a few “Growing Pains” sketches. He did this as he led the audience in a cheerful rendition of “As Long as We Got Each Other,” the show’s theme song. With homage to Cameron’s past out of the way, he focused on preaching the gospel message, presenting the changes he had made in his life and encouraging Pepperdine students to make similar changes.
It cracks me up when Kirk acts like he's given up the glitz and glamour of Hollywood to serve the Lord. Seriously, man...you're still on television bilking the masses into buying your bit. If you sit your ass in the make-up chair and memorize lines, then you haven't left Hollywood. And, if you're leading groups of people in your old show's theme song, then you clearly aren't "transferring the spotlight" away from your past.

Cameron’s life change was a dramatic one. At the height of the show’s popularity, Cameron, a former atheist, dedicated his life to Christ. This conversion set Cameron’s life and career in a new direction, turning down roles that conflicted with his faith, and starring in the “Left Behind” movies, a series of apocalyptic thrillers based on the best selling novels.
I got Tiger Beat and TeenBeat back in the day...I don't ever recall Kirk Cameron as being the bad boy of the Hollywood scene. The Coreys had that bit all tied up and wrapped with a bow. And, River Phoenix was the epitome of a "dramatic life". Kirk Cameron? Mmmmm...not so dramatic. And, I'm so sick of his "I used to be an atheist" bullshit. Not practicing one religion over another doesn't make you an atheist. Then again, look at who I'm talking to... this is the man who thought the banana was absolute proof of inteligent design.

Cameron’s current focus is on his evangelism ministry. He co-hosts a spiritually-based reality television program, “The Way of the Master,” with fellow evangelist Ray Comfort. His entire ministry is in opposition of the way many of today’s churches present the Christian faith. Cameron explained the difference between the way the churches generally present the Christian faith, and how he presents it.
Spiritually based? Maybe. Reality? ROFLMAO.

“If someone comes to a church and is involved in all kinds of social programs, that is great, but until they are soundly saved by turning from sin and putting their faith firmly in Christ, they are eternally doomed without the shed blood of Christ covering them from their sin,” Cameron said. “That would be the major difference.”
In other words: "Become a loaner for the Lord. Sit in a closet and rock back and forth while chanting "Kirk will show me the way." Then, come out of the closet and reinact the entire ending of the movie Carrie. Only then will you be pure in your love for the Lord. SANCTIFY!

His style of evangelism is something many Pepperdine students may not be accustomed to.
One hopes not.

“It will be interesting to see if he is the kind of speaker who really appeals to the student audience,” said Convocation Coordinator Christopher Collins a few days before the event. “Apparently he has a pretty intense view about conversion. We want someone to talk about faith, but honestly our whole goal is to have someone who can do it in a way that won’t make everyone mad, because students are required to go. It’s like, can we be more seeker-friendly? That’s how I tried to pitch it to him.”
Seekers are pussies who won't commit! Right, Kirk?

Cameron said he agrees with those who call his evangelism methods unapologetic and confrontational.
Cuz' he's a rebel. It's all of the TigerBeat in him...Grrrr baby. Very grrr.

There is no need to apologize for sharing the truth with people as long as you share it in the right spirit of love and compassion,” Cameron said shortly before going onstage. “If someone was walking toward a 1,000-foot cliff, I would unapologetically warn them about the cliff, and compassionately do everything I can to turn them away from the cliff. If there is confrontation involved in that, then I have to suck it up and deal with that if I really care about the person’s welfare.”
The difference, in this case, is that the cliff is an observable and REAL danger. The real question is: how many in the audience would do the same for Kirk (tell him he was about to walk off a cliff)? When you become an arrogant douchebag, it has this strange effect of making people want to not only NOT stop you, but to push you off the cliff. But, it's all good...God will save him.

Cameron said he is often asked to speak at universities, high schools, churches and community events. With the array of stars living in the Malibu area, Collins said it seems appropriate to have a celebrity speak at Chapel.
I thought he was downplaying his celebrity?

“It’s actually quite difficult to find someone who has enough sense or is a person of faith that would fit all the chapel requirements,” Collins said. “Someone mentioned Kirk Cameron, we did some checking, and he seemed like a reasonable person who lived locally and was willing to come do it.”
Requirements:
Mondo ego? - Check
Has been actor? - Check
Appealing to irrational authorities? - Check
Crazy sidekick? - The Comfort-able Boner might suffice.

Students had mixed reactions to Cameron’s message. While many were excited to see a famous face, some students supported Cameron’s theological stance and others did not.
...those that did not followed him to his Seaver mobile and beat the crap out of him. If the students of Pepperdine get pumped up about meeting Kirk Cameron, then I say they need to expand their horizons a bit.

“I respect his conviction, but I believe his abrasive attitude toward witnessing loses some of the finer aspects of Christianity that make it so appealing to so many people,” said freshman Jeff Loveness.
Loveness for the win!

Freshman Mike Evans, however, took Cameron’s message differently.
“I appreciate that the only book he recommended was the Bible,” Evans said. “I also like that he didn’t fight the fact that he was a sitcom character, but embraced it.”

Wha...'?? Is there some support group for ex-sitcom characters who don't embrace their past? I hear Eve Plum is looking for a new gig.

Cameron ended his message with some poignant words. Reminding students that death could come at any moment, Cameron said, “If you think there is even a one in a million chance that this Jesus stuff is real, you owe it to your own good senses to check it out.”
Wow. He's kind of a downer. And, how many of you guessed, as did I, that he would end it all with Pascal's Wager?

20 comments:

Milo Johnson said...

Whew, I'm off the hook. I don't think there's even a one in a septillion chance.

Also, "celebrity?" KIRK CAMERON? The standards are getting really relaxed these days, aren't they?

Carlie said...

I have now seen two references to Tiger Beat magazine in one day. I think there must be a black hole opening up somewhere in the universe.

Fabulous takedown. Really, does he think about his audience? NONE OF THESE STUDENTS WERE ALIVE when Growing Pains was on tv. Seriously. No need to sing the theme song. I wish Tracey Gold would come and slap some sense into him.

some guy said...

To the blogkeeper I say, it is easier to mock what you don't let your heart understand. By keeping this blog, you are breaking God's commandments against blasphemy and false witness and pride, just to name some of the critical mistakes you are making. I made them once to. God is surely not pleased by your behavior. Like I asked- what do you have to lose? If there is one single unique chance that God exists it's worth believing. Doubt produces fear. Don't you want security? Read the Bible and see what it has to say about your sin. I'll point you to the cross Christ was crucified on. That is the sacrifice he made for you. Given the grace of God you might admit your sins and seek his forgiveness. You are living outside his holy commandments and living that way means you can't feel Him. Do not think lightly of the powers held by our Savior. You are creating a God to oppose. This is outside his commandment. It is no matter that you don't believe. The word of God is truth. Do you have the conviction to allow an examination of your sins?

amarullis said...

some guy said "By keeping this blog, you are breaking God's commandments against blasphemy and false witness and pride.."

If one does not believe in your religion, it doesn't matter if they break its rules. You do not have to believe in certain things to be a good person.

"Like I asked- what do you have to lose? If there is one single unique chance that God exists it's worth believing. Doubt produces fear. Don't you want security?"

You sound like the fear monger [much like some in our govt. and those running (or just dropped out of the running) to be in the govt.]. Most religions are founded on fear: Fear of hell, fear of pain, fear of being shunned from your community. If there is "one single unique chance that God exists" but there is no evidence to support it, it would be unwise to just say "I give in, ok" but not really believe. I do not believe that if God is really as complex as he would have to be to be real, that he would punish someone for using their "god-given" brain to think for themselves and not just believe because they are afraid of possible consequences. Also, how do you choose which one is true? There are so many religions and sects within them that it would be impossible to take a chance on all of them.

"Do you have the conviction to allow an examination of your sins?"

Do you? I seem to remember that somewhere in your good book that you are to leave judgment to God.

Again, if someone does not believe in your religion, they can't sin. Most of the rules in the bible are not followed by 99% of Christians (Leviticus anyone?). The 10 commandments are based on laws written long before Judaism, except for three (though these too may be from other religions, probably Zoroastrianism):
*You shall have no other gods before Me
*You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
*You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

The other commandments and "good" rules are all basic human morals, most likely established by polytheistic peoples, long ago.

Kevin L. said...

“If someone comes to a church and is involved in all kinds of social programs, that is great, but until they are soundly saved by turning from sin and putting their faith firmly in Christ, they are eternally doomed without the shed blood of Christ covering them from their sin,” Cameron said.

Wow. There's not a single substantive statement in that entire paragraph. It reads like the transcript of one of GW's speeches. I think it's fair to say that Kirk Cameron's brains disembarked with his acting career.

Also, I have to hand it to whomever decided to make "Christopher Collins" the "Convocation Coordinator" - abundant alliteration, anyone?

keely said...

For the record, Growing Pains was on TV for a long time... long after there were new episodes it was one of the few watch-able shows on Disney Channel. So I am a college student and I know who Kirk Cameron is.

All that said, he's still a nutjob.

Psychodiva said...

I have no idea who this bloke is- was it a tv programme? I wonder if he knows the rest of the world doesn't care who he is lol?

Poodles said...

Oh dear Some Guy... What if you have it wrong? What if Zeus is the god you are supposed to worship? If there is even a slim change Zeus exists shouldn't you worship him?

UGH!

As far as Kirk is concerned, where's that cliff when we need one? "Oh look Seaver, I think I see Jesus...waaaaayyyy down there."

MothandRust said...

Smirk Cameron... the poster boy for all that is idiotic about Christianity. Funny blog post! And you caught the eye of a Christian troll too! Classic - "God is surely displeased"... or some shit - lol.

Can you imagine hearing Smirk singing his old theme song. I've seen some messed up shit, but that would haunt me... that would haunt me. *shudder*

MothandRust said...

"Read the Bible and see what it has to say about your sin. I'll point you to the cross Christ was crucified on. That is the sacrifice he made for you."

This whole sacrifice for sins thing is a piss poor story telling resolution. Even as a kid, when reading 'The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe', I thought it was a cheap plot device for Aslan to die in order to release the 'deeper magic' to fix up all the story complications... pffft.

Anonymous said...

Cectic did a nice comic on what will be lost: http://cectic.com/082.html

Berlzebub said...

@ some guy (w/ apologies for feeding the troll):
To the blogkeeper I say, it is easier to mock what you don't let your heart understand.
Hunh? In case you didn't know, P-Momma is a former Catholic, I'm a former Pentecostal, and many of the other non-believers here have backgrounds in multiple othe faiths. So, our grounds for not believing are probably more thought out and defendable than your grounds for believing.

We don't mock you because we don't understand. We mock you because we understand what you don't.
By keeping this blog, you are breaking God's commandments against blasphemy and false witness and pride, just to name some of the critical mistakes you are making.
Some of what you view as blasphemy I view as honesty. I do not believe god(s) exist, and I have a helluva lot better reason for my beliefs.

Name one part of this blog that is false witness? I dare you to try. P-Momma is simply responding to what others say with (humorous) logic.

As far as pride, isn't that what you're showing. Since you believe what you do, there's no possible way it can be wrong, right? The funny thing is that you can't prove the existance of your deity, but then you expect us to just drop to our knees and worship him. Get a grip.
I made them once to.
Let's see, you just gave false witness (unless you can prove otherwise), and proved that you have pride. That's two out of three. So, you still make them. Of course, since blasphemy only counts if God exists and the Bible is right, that's off the table. The onus is on your to prove your assertions, before you can claim your book has any sort of rules.
God is surely not pleased by your behavior.
Neither is the Emperor, Lord Voldemort, Drizzt Do'Urden or a myriad of other fictional characters. Want to know why? Fiction characters aren't pleased with your actions. They also don't breath and don't exist. What's your point?

Until you can prove the existance of your deity of choice, your god isn't anything, let alone pleased.
Like I asked- what do you have to lose? If there is one single unique chance that God exists it's worth believing.
When did you ask? Exactly which troll are we dealing with, again? Don't you have the guts to keep the same moniker, so we'll know your past arguments? I suspect I know who you are (which means you've been banned), but do you have the guts to admit it?

Let's see. Taking that to its logical conclusion that means I have to believe in Yahweh, Zeus, Odin... Oh hell, just look here. Also, there's Yeti, Bigfoot (at least I think they're supposed to be two different cryptozoological species), Nessie, UFOs, Chupacabra, Russell's Teapot, and an Invisible Dragon in my Garage. Sorry, but you'll have to do better than that.

Pascal's wager only works if Christianity is the only option. It also only works if you can apply it to other areas, and, as I've shown, that means there's a whole host of things that you'll also need to believe because they haven't been disproven. The last two even explain why your argument isn't valid.
Doubt produces fear. Don't you want security?
Doubt can only produce fear if you're afraid of one single phrase. "I don't know." I'm perfectly capable of saying it, and it actually gives me security. It's something else for me to research and try to find an answer to, so that I can pass it on to the next generation.

By the way, the "security" argument only works if people are insecure, like you seem to be. That you are incapable of arguing your position in a valid way, without so many fallacies that it's nearly unreadable, just shows your insecurity.
Read the Bible and see what it has to say about your sin.
Read the Necronomicon, Torah, or the Koran and see what they say about your actions? Hell, read your own Bible, from front to back. You'd probably be surprised at what you find.

After that, read Misquoting Jesus and see what it says about your Bible.
I'll point you to the cross Christ was crucified on. That is the sacrifice he made for you.
I'll point you to Prometheus who gave us fire. His sacrifice was much greater. Try reading about mythologies other than your own sometime. If you think Jesus had it rough, it was a cakewalk compared to some of the real punishments. IIRC, Job had it even worse than Jesus, and that was on a wager between Yahweh and Satan.
Given the grace of God you might admit your sins and seek his forgiveness.
What sins? The ones from that book that you hold so highly?

I would suggest you read this. It will explain thoroughly why your "arguments" are hollow when you talk to atheists. (Also, it was written by a Christian.)
You are living outside his holy commandments and living that way means you can't feel Him.
And you can? Is his skin soft or callused, is his hair silky or rough (also dry or oily), and is he muscular or a couch potato? Also, if you can feel him, you should also be able to see him. What color are his eyes, hair, and skin tone?

Even you can't feel him. All you have are vague feelings that you think are him. I get the same thing when I listen to the right music, or read certain types of literature. It's not restricted to just religious experiences.
Do not think lightly of the powers held by our Savior. You are creating a God to oppose.
No, I don't think lightly of him, because I don't think about him at all. We do not create a deity to oppose, because we have you and those like you for that. You claim the Bible is his law, but you apparently haven't read it. We don't oppose your deity, we oppose people like you using religion as an excuse to intrude in others lives and judge them for actions that are none of your damn business.
This is outside his commandment. It is no matter that you don't believe.
If it's no matter, why do you feel compelled to come to her blog and preach? You're a hypocrite.
The word of God is truth.
Which one? As I pointed out above, there's a great many more than just one.
Do you have the conviction to allow an examination of your sins?
What are these sins you speak of? First you have to prove that your deity of choice exists (which means disproving all of the others) and then you have to prove that that book you hold in such high esteem actually holds the laws of that deity. Only then is there any such thing as sin.

Psychodiva said...

Jeez the trols keep a comin'!!!! rofl- they are so much fub souting that utter balderdash as if anyone is going to listen

Milo Johnson said...

Isn't it funny how all the godiots constantly refer to the Extenze ad? "You have nothing to lose, and a lot to gain!"

"Some guy," only children believe fairy tales.

fdqpink/Baal's Bum said...

Kirk Cameron? Never heard of him or that tv show so it must have been
crap if it didn't get over here.
Iniatially I misread some guy as stoma guy
@ some stoma guy
Isn't it bad enough that you think that bronze age ideas that have been corrupted through time have any relevence in todays world aside from the imagined importance idiots such as yourself delude yourself with.
You then compound it by referring to bronze age ideas of biology. Perhaps this is your problem if you use your heart for thinking not pumping blood no wonder your brain misfires. You surely are one confused individual.You think with your heart and you speak with your arsehole
You are correct there is only one god all hail the LORD BERLZEBUB
Must go have a hard nights sinning to get in or fun as I call it
Apologies to PM for feeding the troll

Shar said...

Some Guy...

You ask me what I have to lose by giving your faith a chance. Well, in order to do so, I'd have to lie to myself, and in doing so, would lose my self-respect, as well as make a mockery of what you hold dear because I would be living a lie. I'm also not going to hold to a code of beliefs that, in their current state, are rather maladaptive.

I've given it a chance, and my personal journey took me towards atheism. Logically, emotionally, I cannot believe in a God such as yours without forcing it or making myself deny something I feel to be true in the very core of my being. It is a matter of cognitive dissonance. I've felt that "presence," but since I can call it up at will, I'm fairly sure it's something special about my brain chemistry and not a religious experience.

Might there be a God? Higher beings we cannot interact with? Perhaps. I'm certain there are things we can't explain, but I'm pretty sure they are the product of our wonderfully evolved brains.

But, seriously, why do all of you think that I haven't thought about God or given your religion a chance? I was raised in it. I went to Sunday School for a decade. I know the Bible rather well. I have seen it whole, I opened my heart, and at the end, I consciously rejected it as I could not believe in it. It made no logical sense on several levels, and there was too much horrible in it for me to embrace.

As for something not related to the new concern troll, Kirk Cameron is rather... special.

wineymomma said...

I didn't like Growing Pains. It and Kirk Cameron gave me the willies

Still don't like Kirk Cameron. Still don't like the way some people think they need to condemn others to show their beliefs.

And I still think Kirk Cameron is creepy!

arana-suteshi said...

LOL. Celebrity.

I don't have a problem with him finding a path that works for him, or anyone else. But he's just so...so lame now. And what is up with the Growing Pains references? Has he done NOTHING ELSE noteworthy since then? Wouldn't the Left Behind thingy be more appropiate? After all, most of the people that would swallow his gibberish are probably familiar with it.

Meh.

However! Some Guy has convinced me. I'm going to erect my temple and start praying to Zeus right away.

aimee said...

Pmomma, you have such a way with words, lol.

I feel so icky now, I think I had some of those Teen Beat pictures of him on my wall, along with both Corey's.

I wonder what his former co-stars think of him, I mean really think of him, not what they say on camera.

p.s., have you seen the article about Jesus makeup being pulled from the shelves in Singapore? You cant make this stuff up. They had such things as "virtuous vanilla"-flavored lip balm and a "Get Tight with Christ" hand and body cream", too funny.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23129555/?GT1=10856

Tom Foss said...

I'll point you to the cross Christ was crucified on.

Wait, wait, you can point us to the actual cross Christ was crucified on? Please, do so! I'd like to see it; it'd be nice to get some scientists to study it. Maybe they'd luck out and find a 2,000-year-old blood sample, and we'd finally be able to settle the question of Jesus's parentage. At the very least, it'd be some evidence that he even existed, which until this point has been entirely either suspect or hoaxed.

Incidentally, Kirk's sister (Full House's DJ) has also gone the conservative Christian route. I wonder if she used to be an atheist too. Did the whole family convert together?