Wednesday, January 09, 2008

Thank you

I just want to give a quick, THANK YOU to Berlzebub. And, a thank you to the rest of you who have been so generous. I don't know if there are words to express how loved I feel.

61 comments:

HEATHER said...

That is nothing compared to what I had lined up for you.

TonyInBatavia said...
Oh, man, what a letdown. Here I thought, given that she and her husband hadn't responded to the last wave of "get lost" messages in the "Funkalicious" thread, that Heather had done the Christian thing and simply gone away from the blog. But, like a monster in a horror film, she just keeps coming back. Damn.

I will come back when ever I want to. What are you going to do to stop me?

You'd think, after everyone made clear that she's a horrible role model for Christianity, that she'd maybe go away for a while to figure out how to become more human, humble, and civil, then come back in a few months to demonstrate that she's finally worthy of our attention and respect.
Am i suppossed to ignore your attacks on me? I have read this whole rambly blog and have not seen "evidence" to convince me there is no god. If she were a good atheist she would be convincing at least a little but she's not. Her anger at the catholic church and lds isn't very christian.

Instead, she persists in demonstrating her rather twisted, ugly, and demented form of Christianity to us.
What do you call slandering a nice man who's giving motivational speeches? I'm not the only one who had a problem with that it would appear since there's an unhappy commenter. She is twisting CHRIST and CHRISTIANITY in to something ugly and demented.

It's not like we mind having such despicable people to point our Christian friends to as a demonstration of what's wrong with their religion, but at some point her behavior reflects poorly on the entire human race. That's the real shame.

Ha ha aha. You need a mirror so you can see yourself. I don't think you make us look great.

wineymomma said...
I'm speechless-sitting here struggling for words-people like Heather are why it is so difficult for people like me to find our voices.

I make you look bad? Question why you are here wineymama and I guess you would see that you're sinning by being associated with a blasphemer.

yuyay said...

I hope that it helps!

I'm sorry that Heather got to this post first. I say we all just make a pact to ignore her and see how long it takes before she gets bored.

heather said...

You can ignore me all you want it won't change my first idea that atheists are not generous as Christs followers. Go on and ignore me. I know some things about these people that you don't. She has another blog that goes back and isn't hard to find. Theres parts where she talks about getting Possum 3 baptized and her husband adopting the older possum. That means she sinned and had a child out of wedlock. Why has that vampire atheist friend told about being in her wedding after Possum 1 was born? No wander she is an atheist with all the sin. Such a great mother that says in a post "The noise they're making is about to drive me out of my ever-lovin' mind. Where are the gypsies when you need them?"
It's no joke to say you're selling your child to gypsies. When she lost her pregnancy she was asking for prayers. PRAYERS you all. What sorry people yall are.
Her kids probably aint smarter than mine. You all are buying this hook line and sinker.

Poodles said...

Berlzebub is wonderful to do what they did! Raises a glass, cheers!

Carlie said...

Wow, heather, do you even have any idea how pathetically small, sad, and bitter you come off as? I really feel sorry for you.

P-momma, I missed the whole saga of the film, so I'm glad you mentioned it here! Now I just have to remember my Paypal login (ugh!) ! The insights you have, and the model you are, are worth a lot more than the occasional stupid newspaper or magazine I spend money on. :)

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

That's alright PM we think you're grand.

Now Heather,

You sweet deluded Child of Christ. I thought that love was supposed to be unconditional, it certainly seems that yours is not. You expect PM to be nice and grovel for your help.

This is nothing compared to what I had lined up for you

A far more christian approach would have been to have someone just turn up on Pm's door step and offer help. But instead you choose to big note yourself. Isn't Pride one of your seven sins?

Interesting too that you seem to be unable to turn the other cheek when you have been verbally slapped.

On evidence that there is no god, honey you are making the claim that there is one, so you gots to come up with the goods. That and now where did PM claim that she provides proof that there is no god.

NEWSFLASH PM is not christian, Christianity is not necessarily synonoymous with goodness - there is ample reason to be angry with both the LDS and the Catholic Church - do some research kiddo instead of letting others think for you.


You are going to save yourself a lot of angst if you just go away. But then maybe you have a boring job and getting your panties in a knot gives you some excitement.

So go or stay, you'll just become the village idiot that everyone hangs shit on.

Autonomous said...

Wow, Heather. You are one evil woman. Congratulations-you're now my number one online resource to show how evil religious people can be.

Perpetual Beginner said...

If she were a good atheist she would be convincing at least a little.

Heather, did you miss the part where atheism isn't evangelical, and atheists are not required to convert others in order to be good atheists?

Good grief, woman. You're making me quite appalled to nominally belong to the same religious group as you. I'm insanely relieved I'm not of your denomination. Where in the bible did Christ ever gloat?

Martin Wagner said...

I suppose it's no surprise that some Christian bitch would exploit P-Momma's misfortune as an excuse to troll here with snarky and insulting comments. I guess that's what comes from being morally superior to everybody, eh?

Joy said...

It's sad that Heather can't be happy for another person when they recieve the help they need from friends. Instead, she has to hijack a thread that has nothing to do with her and spout more BS.

P-momma,

This blog has been a great source of both pleasure and support for my husband and me, both lone atheists in our families. I hope that your health will improve so that you can enjoy more time with your beautiful family!!!

Heather,

Wow. I bet Jesus is just BEAMING at the way you're representing him.
Seriously - can you not see what a jerk you're being? If you'll recall, Christ wanted people to love their enemies as themselves (Mark 5:43-38), give to the needy without boasting (Mark 6:1-4), and not judge lest they be judged (Mark 7:1-5). Looks like you're 0 for 3.

John said...

Pmmoma,

I read your blog everyday but rarely comment.

I just want you to know I'm pulling for you, and thank you for your insightful articles.

Matthew said...

Her kids probably aint smarter than mine.

Who knows? This could be true I suppose. Well, as long as you aren't the person teaching your children spelling and grammar.

Regardless, you continuously miss the point. There is no "evidence" that there isn't a god. There is simply no compelling reason to believe that there is.

Can you provide evidence that a god exists? The answer is no, just in case you're silly enough to try and assert that there is. That's the whole point of faith. If you have evidence then faith starts to become a bit useless. Of course, I think faith in anything is useless.

Oh and Heather, did you lose your WWJD bracelet? Because I challenge you to point at one place in the bible that it's written that he acted anything like you are now.

Berlzebub said...

@ Everyone:

Come one people. Don't antagonize the Adventist. I'm too happy with how well this is going to care what Heather says.

@ P-Momma:

No thanks needed, but you're very welcome. I just want you to be able to enjoy time with your little possums.

Oh, and have Dr. P-Daddy measure your windows. I think we might already have enough to get that part done.

Thranil said...

P-Momma, I am one of the folks that usually just quietly reads your blog. I don't comment terribly often since what I have to say is usually said better by someone else, but this time, I did want to say that I definitely appreciate what you do here. Thank you for taking the time to share of yourself in this way!

Heather, If your goal is to alienate people and continue pushing them further away from Christianity, then congratulations, you've done a fantastic job! If that's not your goal, then I would suggest that you re-evaluate your behavior.

AlisonM said...

Aw, see what you've done, berlzebub? Heather was all ready to, like, buy P-Momma a big new spf-90 house, and an entire wardrobe of protective clothes, maid service and a chef for a year, but you went and ruined it. You'll have to live with that guilt forever. ;)

Heather, the biggest incidence of out-of-wedlock pregnancies in the US is in predominantly Christian states. Making a correlation between premarital sex and/or pregnancy and atheism is a baseless argument. And so what if she talked about gypsies? Heck, I still say that to my kids. It's a joke a weary mom uses to blow off steam, and it's harmless. Much better than spanking or screaming at them or forcing them to obey, which we've seen advocated here by other visitors who share your attitudes. Sheesh.

And, you know, if P-Momma didn't want you to come back, she could block you or delete your comments. It's her blog, her place. Then you'd have to finagle all kinds of ways to get back on, and if you had that attitude and a different screen name, it would just be more of the same from everyone else here. Are you a glutton for punishment? Come on, you could make your life easier by either going to sites where you're welcome, or being nicer here. Or you could keep on self-flagellating, if that's what you really enjoy in life.

Poodles said...

Heather said:
"Question why you are here wineymama and I guess you would see that you're sinning by being associated with a blasphemer."

UM... So... Heather, exacly why are YOU here??? To sin by being associated with a blasphemer???

Robert said...

I'm just going to ignore heather...

Congratulations PMomma, I really hope the window screens work out for you!

Berlzebub said...

@ AlisonM:

Aw, see what you've done, berlzebub? Heather was all ready to, like, buy P-Momma a big new spf-90 house, and an entire wardrobe of protective clothes, maid service and a chef for a year, but you went and ruined it. You'll have to live with that guilt forever. ;)

No I don't. I'm an atheist, remember. I only have to feel anything until I die, since there's no proof of an afterlife. Also, I'm just doing my part over and above what anyone else wants to do, and with absolutely no strings, to boot. So, my blasphemous non-believing self actually feels pretty good, right now. ;-)

@ Poodles:

UM... So... Heather, exacly why are YOU here??? To sin by being associated with a blasphemer???

In Heather's defense, I'm pretty sure she meant "befriended" instead of "associated". Her understanding of how words are used in the real world, and even how the real world itself operates, is a bit lacking. So, we should probably cut her some slack in that department. ;-)

Anonymous said...

P-Momma, I've read your blog often, but never commented. I am so sorry to hear about your health problems. I've also had to deal with health problems and it just flat-out sucks! I hope you see some improvement soon! Thanks to Berlzebub for setting up the account so we can help.

Thank you also for your posts, which help to inspire and support me and my husband-- closet atheist in a very Catholic family. When we pulled our boys from PSR, we had some very unpleasant conversations with his mom! If she knew that we didn't believe in God at all, I think she'd have a heart attack!

We've now quit going to church at all -- it took my husband a LONG time to get over the guilt. I think his mom is finally starting to realize that we're still good people, altho the subject of religion never comes up! :)

Anyway, best wishes to you, P-Momma!
Debbie

TonyInBatavia said...

@Heather - I will come back when ever I want to. What are you going to do to stop me?
Nothing, clearly. While I was hoping to make an impression on you by describing what an arrogant little twit you've been by coming to a forum in which you're clearly not welcome, it's obvious I've failed. So, you just go ahead and keep demonstrating the Christian crazy, the Christian ugly, and the Christian pathetic for which you've already become infamous. But as long as you're persist in your crazed, ugly, pathetic behavior here, please recognize how much more pathetic you appear by whining and sniveling about how you're being attacked when you're the one acting a fool on P-Momma's website. The minute you leave is the minute the "attacks" end.

Psychodiva said...

eek Heather!!

anyhoo- PMomma I hope the film works and makes things better for you :)

wineymomma said...

P-momma:

I am so happy for you. You have great friends on the blogoshphere!
Much love to you!

Berlzebub:

You are a wonderful HUMAN BEING for setting this up. Much love to you!

Heather:

The greatest commandment-Matthew 27:37-39. Is my neighbor, the one I'm supposed to love as the second part of these verses, the person who agrees whole heartedly with me and sits next to me at church? Or, if it's ok with you can I love the HUMAN BEING that is-OMg-a blasphemer?(Don't really care what your answer is)

All of p-momma's readers:

One more verse that applies here-Matthew 25:40. Basically-If I love all of you all with the very best that I have then I am loving the Lord with my best. It never says you have to be a believer!

Much love to you all!

Vamp said...

Theres parts where she talks about getting Possum 3 baptized and her husband adopting the older possum. That means she sinned and had a child out of wedlock. Why has that vampire atheist friend told about being in her wedding after Possum 1 was born?

Ummm, Heather, soooo assuming....taking things out of context...not that it's any of your business, but I met PM when she was married prior. No out of wedlock here...like it even matters. Her children are loved more than you'll even know. It doesn't matter how they came into the world, "their all Gods chilren", right?????

fsmismyhero said...

P-momma thank YOU for this amazing blog!!!

@ Wineymomma,
It's wonderful to see some genuine Christian love.. thank you for setting the BETTER example!

Berlzebub said...

Wineymomma:

I know I am! My altruism is only surpassed by my modesty. :-D

Seriously, though. Thank you for the compliment. The organizing isn't that hard, and a larger thanks needs to go out to everyone who's participated.

kstorm said...

@ Heather -

As one human being speaking to another, I think that this is not a good place for you. Whatever anyone else may say to you - you are in control of your own actions and coming here is obviously upsetting to you.

Certainly you can continue to come here but is it helping you in any way? I think not.

Your comments here do not hurt us but I think they are hurting you. For your own sake consider what you are doing and how it might be affecting your own family. I know when I get upset or angry about things that happen at work or even things I read online it can affect my relationships with others and I think that the anger you are showing here cannot be beneficial to your relationships.

The Internet is a big place and there are so many people with differing opinions I don't think you should let what you read here (or on other sites) become an obsession. Take a deep breath.

Shar said...

I really hope it all works out for you!

I've been trapped in one room before after I shattered a femur, and it was horrible for me... and it was only for a few months when I was a teen. While we can't fix the outdoors for you, hopefully your home can become a more hospitable place for you :)

True good is when we all come together and do something for someone else with no requirements or strings attached. It warms my heart every time.

arana-suteshi said...

That is nothing compared to what I had lined up for you.

Wow. How selfish. So you would have helped, but your Christian charity only extends so far, huh?

I have read this whole rambly blog and have not seen "evidence" to convince me there is no god. If she were a good atheist she would be convincing at least a little but she's not.

Maybe because the blog is not meant to convert people? Maybe it's just away for an atheist to share her feelings and experiences with like-minded (and not so like-minded) people? Or do you believe everyone's goals are like your own - covert at all costs, even when you've been proven a fool?

Her anger at the catholic church and lds isn't very christian.

...Because she isn't a Christian, perhaps? And she has every right to be angry. In fact, the people in those denominations should be angry!

I guess you would see that you're sinning by being associated with a blasphemer.

Because we all know Jesus only hung out with his roadies.


You can ignore me all you want it won't change my first idea that atheists are not generous as Christs followers.

Which is why you brag about the help you COULD have given, but didn't, while other people on this blog have actually done (and are doing) something to actually, you know, HELP. Like decent human beings.

That means she sinned and had a child out of wedlock.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you actually married before, P-Momma. I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Not that it matters one way or the other. Not everyone believes that having children outside of wedlock is OMG SO HORRIBLE, or a "sin"!!! I was married in 2006. My children were born in 2000 and 2004. Your religious views =/= the rest of the world. I suggest getting over it and learning this little thing called "tolerance".

Her kids probably aint smarter than mine.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Not if you're teaching them. I bet her kids can point out where the apostrophe is supposed to go.

arana-suteshi said...

Okay. I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

I love this blog, even when there isn't delicious wank in the comments. :) There are so many wonderful people here! And some topics and responses are so full of information that I could spend hours looking things up and surfing around for more answers.

Maggie Rosethorn said...

Pmomma...I will ignore Heather and simply say, you are very welcome to any and all aid I can offer from across the country. Giving to get you out of the "cave" put a smile on my face. I have been housebound in the past and nearly went nuts. You are handling it with much more grace and humor than I did.

Just keep us posted on what you decide to do and how it works. We are all waiting with bated breath.

(((hugs)))

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Ok, Heather...listen up, because this is the LAST time I will respond to you. And, it's the last time you'll leave a comment here. From now on, if you comment, I will delete it.

I know some things about these people that you don't.
Holy shit, lady. The problem with you is that "what YOU know" could barely fill a thimble. What you know is jack shit.

She has another blog that goes back and isn't hard to find.
So?

Theres parts where she talks about getting Possum 3 baptized and her husband adopting the older possum.
Gee...so, you found out that FIVE YEARS AGO, P3 was baptized? Wooooooo...I'm in awe of your Nancy Drew skillz. Not! That's not exactly priveleged information since, you know, I have never hid the fact that I used to be Catholic. Note, though, that P4 was never baptized. You may have an epiphany that would lead you to conclude that I found atheism to be a more solid philosophy between the two children.

As for P1 being "born out of wedlock". What if she was? I was twenty years old. Having her was the best decision of my life...it's not like that for everyone, but it was for me. I married her father, BECAUSE OF GUILT APPLIED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and serious familial pressure from two Catholic families, and married my ex-husband shortly after her birth. THAT was the worst decision of my life. He ended up cheating on me and becoming an alcoholic. So, when he'd no paid child support for YEARS and decided that he'd rather waive support and sign away his parental rights, Dr. Possum stepped up and said, "Give them to me. I want them." THAT, my little troll, is LOVE.

Why has that vampire atheist friend told about being in her wedding after Possum 1 was born?
Maybe because it's an accurate statement? So?
Hell, possum 1 and possum 2 were in the fricken wedding. Suck on that! And, by the way, you're really, really, really fucked up. You know that right? Did you not stop to think that the possums, on occasion, pop-in and read the comments on this blog? Did you not think, in your tiny, icy heart that they might read your generally fucked up take on their lives? This isn't a game. You are commenting on the experiences and circumstances that directly effected them and you're shitting all over it. How fucking dare you?

No wander she is an atheist with all the sin.
You know what's a "wonder"? That there aren't more atheists as a result of dealing with people like you.

Such a great mother that says in a post "The noise they're making is about to drive me out of my ever-lovin' mind. Where are the gypsies when you need them?"

ROFLOL. You can't be serious?

It's no joke to say you're selling your child to gypsies.
Actually, it kinda' is a joke.

When she lost her pregnancy she was asking for prayers. PRAYERS you all. What sorry people yall are
When I lost three pregnancies in a pretty short order of time, you can bet your ass I asked for prayers. You know what, though? They didn't help. They didn't fix the situation. Know what did? An autopsy of the fetus and placenta. Daily injections of heparin and bed rest helped. P3 and P4 are here not as a result of prayer, but as a result of proper diagnostics and scientifically proven methods of anticoagulation. All praise science!

As to the "sorry people": projecting much? Seriously, you, John R, and all the other trolls who've darkened this doorstep need to take a step back and evaluate your behavior. You've had Christians telling you that you're out of line. You've had atheists and theists point out your bullshit train of thought. You've had people asking you to JUST STOP. But, like the petulant child (and that's insulting to the child, really), you can't get over yourself long enough to realize that you're doing more to evangelize for atheism than any of us atheists could ever do. You are showing people just how nasty one can turn when a superiority complex and a theology are concerned.

Go the. fuck. away. Even if you had, as someone said, an SPF 90 house (good one, btw) waiting for me, I wouldn't accept it from your hands. So, in the words of Erin Brocavich..."Bite my ass, Krispy Kreme".

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Ok, Heather...listen up, because this is the LAST time I will respond to you. And, it's the last time you'll leave a comment here. From now on, if you comment, I will delete it.

I know some things about these people that you don't.
Holy shit, lady. The problem with you is that "what YOU know" could barely fill a thimble. What you know is jack shit.

She has another blog that goes back and isn't hard to find.
So?

Theres parts where she talks about getting Possum 3 baptized and her husband adopting the older possum.
Gee...so, you found out that FIVE YEARS AGO, P3 was baptized? Wooooooo...I'm in awe of your Nancy Drew skillz. Not! That's not exactly priveleged information since, you know, I have never hid the fact that I used to be Catholic. Note, though, that P4 was never baptized. You may have an epiphany that would lead you to conclude that I found atheism to be a more solid philosophy between the two children.

As for P1 being "born out of wedlock". What if she was? I was twenty years old. Having her was the best decision of my life...it's not like that for everyone, but it was for me. I married her father, BECAUSE OF GUILT APPLIED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and serious familial pressure from two Catholic families, and married my ex-husband shortly after her birth. THAT was the worst decision of my life. He ended up cheating on me and becoming an alcoholic. So, when he'd no paid child support for YEARS and decided that he'd rather waive support and sign away his parental rights, Dr. Possum stepped up and said, "Give them to me. I want them." THAT, my little troll, is LOVE.

Why has that vampire atheist friend told about being in her wedding after Possum 1 was born?
Maybe because it's an accurate statement? So?
Hell, possum 1 and possum 2 were in the fricken wedding. Suck on that! And, by the way, you're really, really, really fucked up. You know that right? Did you not stop to think that the possums, on occasion, pop-in and read the comments on this blog? Did you not think, in your tiny, icy heart that they might read your generally fucked up take on their lives? This isn't a game. You are commenting on the experiences and circumstances that directly effected them and you're shitting all over it. How fucking dare you?

No wander she is an atheist with all the sin.
You know what's a "wonder"? That there aren't more atheists as a result of dealing with people like you.

Such a great mother that says in a post "The noise they're making is about to drive me out of my ever-lovin' mind. Where are the gypsies when you need them?"

ROFLOL. You can't be serious?

It's no joke to say you're selling your child to gypsies.
Actually, it kinda' is a joke.

When she lost her pregnancy she was asking for prayers. PRAYERS you all. What sorry people yall are
When I lost three pregnancies in a pretty short order of time, you can bet your ass I asked for prayers. You know what, though? They didn't help. They didn't fix the situation. Know what did? An autopsy of the fetus and placenta. Daily injections of heparin and bed rest helped. P3 and P4 are here not as a result of prayer, but as a result of proper diagnostics and scientifically proven methods of anticoagulation. All praise science!

As to the "sorry people": projecting much? Seriously, you, John R, and all the other trolls who've darkened this doorstep need to take a step back and evaluate your behavior. You've had Christians telling you that you're out of line. You've had atheists and theists point out your bullshit train of thought. You've had people asking you to JUST STOP. But, like the petulant child (and that's insulting to the child, really), you can't get over yourself long enough to realize that you're doing more to evangelize for atheism than any of us atheists could ever do. You are showing people just how nasty one can turn when a superiority complex and a theology are concerned.

Go the. fuck. away. Even if you had, as someone said, an SPF 90 house (good one, btw) waiting for me, I wouldn't accept it from your hands. So, in the words of Erin Brocavich..."Bite my ass, Krispy Kreme".

aimee said...

I think congratulations are in order. Because you Pmomma have created a community where people feel safe to share their feelings, feel like they are with others that feel the same(for the most part, except for the creepy trolls).

Thank you for being you, sharing your thoughts, feelings, and even your family with us.

Berlzebub said...

@ P-Momma and Family:

I have some more good news. I'll be sending Dr. P-Daddy (I have both of his email addresses), and you, an email with more info.

Chris said...

PM: I know I've only commented a few times, but I've been reading for a long time. You've been a big inspiration, and I've got to say, you have my favorite blog on all the internets. So thank you, and thanks to berlzebub for setting this up. Hope it helps!

TonyInBatavia said...

P-Momma said: "And, it's the last time you'll leave a comment here. From now on, if you comment, I will delete it."

A seriously good move, P-Momma. Had there been a single redeeming quality she brought here, I might judge this as a little harsh. Given that she refused to elevate her game, contribute with respect, and add anything of value or substance, it's not harsh at all. It was due.

On behalf of us who felt like we were typing to a wall: Thank you!

1steelcobra said...

If she were more intelligent, I'd assume she found your LJ through the comments on my page...only if, of course.

Kilted Dad said...

No no no, we going about this all wrong. I say instead of buying film for the windows, we pay to move the Possums up here to Seattle, where they will never see the sun again.

Seriously, Winter, I'm done with you now, on with Spring. :(

Coop said...

Ok, Heather...listen up, because this is the LAST time I will respond to you. And, it's the last time you'll leave a comment here. From now on, if you comment, I will delete it.

What happened to being open minded and taking criticism?

Holy shit, lady. The problem with you is that "what YOU know" could barely fill a thimble. What you know is jack shit.
My wife is a smart cookie. She has a degree in family studies. She sees what people might not see. She sees you.

As for P1 being "born out of wedlock". What if she was?
It means that your family values are a load of dung. It may mean that you were a promiscuous girl who couldn't keep her legs shut. Your exhusband sounds like a loser and that's your fault for marrying him or sleeping with him. Your daughter is a bastard.

Having her was the best decision of my life...it's not like that for everyone, but it was for me. I married her father, BECAUSE OF GUILT APPLIED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and serious familial pressure from two Catholic families, and married my ex-husband shortly after her birth.
Do you want a prize for not aborting. i see, it's all the churchs fault. How pathetic to blame a church.

Hell, possum 1 and possum 2 were in the fricken wedding.
They were taught divorce. Wonderful values.


And, by the way, you're really, really, really fucked up. You know that right? Did you not stop to think that the possums, on occasion, pop-in and read the comments on this blog?
Oh ho ho, did she it a nerve? I hope they read what I am about to say. Possums, your mom is leading you to hell. You know God is in your heart. It is up to you to decide to follow a path of righteous living or follow the sin full path that your ma has shown you. I think you should seek out a pure and virtuous woman to show you how to really mother correctly.

CJSkeptic said...

I'm sitting here wondering how many times Heather has ended up on Fundies Say the Darndest Things.

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

What happened to being open minded and taking criticism?
There is a distinct difference between criticism that is constructive and verbal attack.

My wife is a smart cookie. She has a degree in family studies. She sees what people might not see. She sees you.

From which institution( and are we talking a Bachelors ?). She better get a job in that field soon as her recent posts indicate her skills and intelligence are atrophying.


It means that your family values are a load of dung. It may mean that you were a promiscuous girl who couldn't keep her legs shut. Your ex-husband sounds like a loser and that's your fault for marrying him or sleeping with him. Your daughter is a bastard.

You are a big man aren't you insulting 13 year old girls and their mothers - you're probably a real big man in your community too.

Do you want a prize for not aborting. i see, it's all the churchs fault. How pathetic to blame a church.



Are you offering a prize? Yeah mate the Church has no say in this matter do they, exerts no influence?

They were taught divorce. Wonderful values.

Better that they know that you don't need to stick around in an unhealthy relationship, than be taught intolerance by the likes of you.

Oh ho ho, did she it a nerve? I hope they read what I am about to say. Possums, your mom is leading you to hell. You know God is in your heart. It is up to you to decide to follow a path of righteous living or follow the sin full path that your ma has shown you. I think you should seek out a pure and virtuous woman to show you how to really mother correctly.

I don't know about PM but we certainly hit a nerve with you and your wife, people that are convinced that doing anything in the name of Christ is alright.

So I'll say this nice and slow for you and your intellectually handicaped wife.

F * C K O F F and tell someone who gives a damn and get over yourself.

Coop said...

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said... From which institution( and are we talking a Bachelors ?). She better get a job in that field soon as her recent posts indicate her skills and intelligence are atrophying.
Mate, I just call it as it looks. Not that its your business, she went to Walla Walla University in the States.

You are a big man aren't you insulting 13 year old girls and their mothers - you're probably a real big man in your community too.

Truth hurts. Is it insulting if its true?

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Coop,

You and your wife are making it our business. I couldn't care less.

You insult 13 year olds in real life so you. I think you might be a bit more reserved eh? Truth makes it alright does it.

Thank fuck you don't live in my community. I'll be steering clear of the local SDA on account of your behavior.

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Just clarifying for you my stance. Even if PM was/had been a promiscuous slut, I'd rather have her friendship than that of your wife or you for that matter.

Next time you pass through Alice Springs why don't you look me up and you can insult me and criticize my way of life in person.

I figure I am pretty safe though as you appear to be both a coward and a bully and that's the Truth!

Varjosiili said...

Wow, Coop. Sometimes I find myself thinking that American atheists and feminists must be exaggerating when they're speaking about their troubles with fundies, and then someone like you comes along. You sure show us immoral atheists how to love your neighbors.

PM, I hope our humble donations will help you in some way, you and your family well deserve it!

Mephitis said...

The sheer nastiness that these two trolling Christians display is amazing. If theirs is the morality demanded by their god, then us atheists are so much better off without it.

fsmismyhero said...

Walla Walla is an SDA univeristy.
http://www.wallawalla.edu/

Nuff said.

Perpetual Beginner said...

Um, yeah, Walla Walla. I'll keep my degree in cognitive science from a seven sisters college, thanks.

Coop and Heather are caught in their paradigm. They literally can't see anything outside it, nor believe any evidence that does not fit their paradigm exactly.

Therefore they probably sincerely believe that they are superior loving Christians - even while they behave in ways both childish and spiteful.

They are also unable to realize that people can honestly not believe in God. Therefore (to them) atheists must be having some sort of toddler denial fit, rather than acting as rational adults. Oddly enough they also firmly believe that God as they view him is loving, something that can only be sustained with biblical literalism if you believe with no doubt at all that every human being, down to the tiniest child, is depraved and perverted and deserves eternal torture, such that it is only through God's tremendous bounty that anybody escapes such a fate. Yet, believing that, they still don't see the contradiction in smearing other people as sinners, as if they were above sin themselves somehow.

It would be completely croggling - except that human being are very, very accomplished at this sort of self-deception.

Berlzebub said...

@ Coop:

What happened to being open minded and taking criticism?

No one should be so open minded that their brains fall out. She gave your wife several chances to make her point, and all Heather provided were attacks and fallacies. We've all pointed out why nothing your wife said has any bearing on the real world. So, since Heather is adding nothing to the conversations going on here, and is only taking up space uselessly, P-Momma is exercising her rights on her blog. If you don't like it, try making better arguments than your wife.

My wife is a smart cookie. She has a degree in family studies. She sees what people might not see. She sees you.

Your wife may be a smart for a cookie, but as a human being, she's not only lacking in intelligence, but in general human decency and humility. If she has a degree in human studies, maybe she should use it to study families. Instead, she makes blatant accusations (without proof), and personal attacks on P-Momma and her family.

I contend that Heather does not see what others don't, she simply sees what she wants to see. The rest of us see a happy family, and regularly read this blog. We've gotten to know, P #1 at least, through some of her comments, and the few entries she's made on the blog. The only thing you and Heather have done is attack the P-Family because they don't believe in the unprovable deity that you do.

It means that your family values are a load of dung. It may mean that you were a promiscuous girl who couldn't keep her legs shut. Your exhusband sounds like a loser and that's your fault for marrying him or sleeping with him. Your daughter is a bastard.

Hell, Coop. It could mean that your deity impregnated her, and Awesome Possum is the second coming. Don't you think you should be a bit kinder to the one who might lead you to the "afterlife"? If we're talking about "what it could mean", there's nearly an infinite number of impossibilities. That you jump to the conclusion that she was promiscuous, based on very little knowledge, is telling about how you view humanity in general.

You're the one who believes in an unproven and unprovable "father". In my eyes, and possibly the eyes of several others here, that makes you a proverbial bastard. However, I do not only use that in the sense of "illegitimate child". I say it because you're an offensive and disagreeable person, with no redeeming qualities that I have witnessed.

However, that is neither here nor there. Even the Christians who frequent this blog have chastized your wife for her behavior. I believe that the Bible says something about not judging others, but that is all your wife has done. It seems that you are the same way also.

Do you want a prize for not aborting. i see, it's all the churchs fault. How pathetic to blame a church.

Are you saying that the church (not to mention her religious family) would have just said, "okay" if she'd chosen not to marry her ex-husband, and the father of Awesome Possum? If so, I think you really need a wakeup call to reality. Of course, I think you need one anyway. If she hadn't married the father, you would have been judgemental (which is against the book you are supposed to follow) and since she didn't you are still judgemental. So, I doubt she really cares what you have to say on the matter.

Also, you conveniently forgot the rest of what she said:
THAT was the worst decision of my life. He ended up cheating on me and becoming an alcoholic. So, when he'd no paid child support for YEARS and decided that he'd rather waive support and sign away his parental rights, Dr. Possum stepped up and said, "Give them to me. I want them." THAT, my little troll, is LOVE.
Do you think she should have stayed with her ex, in spite of all of that? Now, P #1, and her siblings, have a father who supports and loves them.

They were taught divorce. Wonderful values.

As others have pointed out, they were taught that they don't have to take abuse from anyone. Divorce just happens to be part of that, and also Awesome Possum's response to your wife in an earlier thread. You may not deem those wonderful values, but those of us who know and understand what the real world is like, do.

Oh ho ho, did she it a nerve? I hope they read what I am about to say. Possums, your mom is leading you to hell. You know God is in your heart. It is up to you to decide to follow a path of righteous living or follow the sin full path that your ma has shown you. I think you should seek out a pure and virtuous woman to show you how to really mother correctly.

I hope they do to, Coop. You aren't the first believer who tried to get them to convert because of their mother "leading them to damnation". They will probably look upon you the same way that they did him. You don't even live on the same continent, but you have the audacity to judge P-Momma's actions and attempt to turn her kids against her? Your a sorry excuse for a christian, let alone a human being.

You say that your wife if a "good christian woman", but there are many christians here who have called her out on her attacks. Heather has been nothing but belligerent and self-involved. The commenters on this blog, and P-Momma, have attempted to explain to her why all of her accusations (and the fallacies that she's employed) have been wrong, but she insists on coming back to where she's not wanted. If your wife is a "good christian woman", then I'm ecstatic that my wife is a good person who just happens to be a christian. (Yes, my wife is Roman Catholic and married to an *gasp* atheist.)

You've both attacked P-Momma's character, and seem oddly surprised when her friends, and Awesome Possum, come to her defense. Your wife has absolutely no understanding of atheism ("I will ask the obvius question. How come you won't ask God for healing power?"), compassion (">What if God is using her to teach others?"), humility ("That is nothing compared to what I had lined up for you.") or even a rudamentary knowledge of your own religion (”Christ ate any food that was availble in Europe at the time which would be things like lamb, fish, fruits, vegetables, breads, and oil.").

If their children go by actual example, they will see that you don't have to be a christian to be a good and compassionate person. All Heather has done is baseless accusations, prosyletizing, and condemnation. It's only by P-Momma's tolerance, and probably hope that Heather would begin to understand where she was wrong, that she's been allowed to comment here as much as she has.

I became an atheist because I couldn't find valid reasons to believe. Since then, I've realized that even if their was a deity, there is still the possibility that I wouldn't worship or follow him. Why you may ask? If the deity was as spiteful, childish, and judgemental as his followers (you and your wife) then I couldn't, in good conscience, support such atrocities.

Kilted Dad said...

PMomma, maybe you could move to where Coop and Heather live, they seem to be perpetually in the dark. ;)

arana-suteshi said...

Your wife may be a smart for a cookie...

LOL. I'm going to have to borrow that some time!

Perpetual Beginner said...

Maybe so, Kilted Dad, but I think the company would be problematic.

Ernst Hot said...

What's wrong about someone being promiscuous anyway? Unless it's your partner (or your <18 kid) It's simply none of your business.

To use it as a slur, just shows what a bigoted, misogynist piece of shit you are.

Remind me who said this:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

There's no place in hypothetical heaven for people like Coop and Heather.

aimee said...

@Coop "My wife is a smart cookie. She has a degree in family studies. She sees what people might not see. She sees you".

And she is putting her skills to good use as a hotel clerk how???

I also had a child out of wedlock *gasp*, married the asshole because I thought it was the right thing to do *gasp*, got a divorce, *gasp*, now my two children have been adopted by my husband of over 7 years and have a little sister.

Big fucking deal, this isn't the dark ages sweetheart.

All mothers who had children out of wedlock, or got a divorce, UNITE! There should be some cool ring to go with that or something...

You sir, you are a fucktard, and your wife, well, lets just say...

"Trying to have an arguement with her is like being in a race in the special olympics, you might win, but in the end, you are still a retard".

Peter said...

(cross-posted on Berlzebub)

I'm so glad that I was able to help you out with the contact at 3M, P-momma. I read your blog everyday, and it's a great feeling to be able to give something back on what is usually such a one-way relationship. I rarely comment on blogs, but that doesn't mean that I don't deeply appreciate what you have to say. You have been a formative force in my thoughts on the subjects of atheism and family, and for that, I am grateful to be able make your life better the way you have improved mine.

With much appreciation,
Pete

Saurian200 said...

Coop,

I was going to ask this to your wife but since P-Momma banned her, I'm going to ask you instead. To what church do you belong?

I don't mean in the sense of what denomination are you, but specifically what church do yo go to?

This is a serious question for which I would like an answer. Given your behaivior as well as Heather's I am curious about what exactly they teach.

Though, given that the both of you have largely ignored everything that I've written to you, I'm not expecting much.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

My wife is a smart cookie. She has a degree in family studies. She sees what people might not see. She sees you.

Your wife sees precisely and only that which I choose to share. And, I'm sure that "family studies" degree comes in handy when one is checking in room 120. I wasn't even aware that there was such a thing AS a degree in "family studies".

It means that your family values are a load of dung. It may mean that you were a promiscuous girl who couldn't keep her legs shut. Your exhusband sounds like a loser and that's your fault for marrying him or sleeping with him. Your daughter is a bastard.

...and you're a prick.
If this weren't so offensive, it would be funny. Yep. That's P-Momma, the promiscuous possum. I wish there was some way to upload a song to this comment.
A little Nelly Furtado perhaps?
*laugh* What's really funny about that is that I've only had two sexual partners in my entire life. *shrug* I agree that my ex-husband was a loser - HENCE THE DIVORCE! Strangely, though, I have sympathy for him. He was forced, as I was, into a marriage he didn't want and a situation he was woefully under-prepared for. It is what it is.
*on with the mother gloves* My daughter has never been and never will be a "bastard". That you could harbor such horrible thoughts about a CHILD is telling.

Do you want a prize for not aborting. i see, it's all the churchs fault. How pathetic to blame a church.
No. But, you seem to be gunning for the title of "first prize asshole".
*sigh* It's not the church's fault that my first marriage didn't work. The Church, however, pressured us into that marriage and made every other option seem unacceptable. The priest who did our precana counselling seemed less concerned about the fact that neither of us particularly wanted to be married and, instead, focused on the reasons why we owed it to P1 to get married despite the misgivings we had. They made our marriage a condition of her baptism. Basically, they were going to withhold her baptism until we were married. How fucked up is that? So...did the Catholic Church put his penis in someone elses vagina and hand him a fifth of vodka? No. Did the Catholic Church force a young man who didn't want to be married, or be a father, into a position he didn't have the maturity for? Absolutely.

They were taught divorce. Wonderful values.
Is the world really that black and white for you?
They weren't taught "divorce". They were taught self-respect and preservation. They were taught to expect a certain level of treatment. They were taught that people make mistakes, even with the best of intentions, so we should always be careful with our words and actions.


As to your little diatribe and appeal to the possums - they're not going to read it.

Psychodiva said...

P-Momma I hope you are going to ban Coop as well? It never ceases to amaze me the level of vindictiveness that comes out of the brains of these so-called christians. The level of insult he has loosed against you just makes me boil - I dearly wish I could meet him and his retarded wife so that they could try to say these things in person- but of course they won't- they are cowards.

Please ban him as well and let us get back to your wonderful blog.

William said...

I hope you will permit me to say a few words to John, Heather, and Coop.

My name is William - a year ago I did things that I am not proud of. Anger took me is pride feuled my heart. When i got chalenged by Matt D., Martin, Kazim, and others i was furieous. A heart in christ acting from satans ways.

I followed a child and tried to spoke to her, this was wrong. I know that now and am sorry.

For a year I was not aloud to go to that area which was a hardship for my family because a friend lives there. Coop you need to practice leadship for your wife befor you go to far. You need to vacate this blog space.

Possum mom was generous with me and has not chose to continue a order when she talked to my wife about our hardship. She excepted my apology with class. My wife talked to her for an hour. There is some to take from one another to learn. Coop, please ask God to help you learn a loving spirit. Forgive me if I am not welcome.

amarullis said...

Please don't call Heather retarded. My cousin is mentally retarded and it is an insult to associate her with him. He is a good, loving person.

N 'Man O' Rage' R said...

From the Biological sciences department at Walla Walla Univ (I really thought Coop made it up) - "The biology faculty are committed to a “Christ-as-Creator” view of the natural world, teaching more than the history of biology; they want to inspire you with the skills and appreciation to study life. "

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