Wednesday, January 02, 2008

Funkalicious

I'm in a serious funk.
(Although, a couple of links from Christine made me giggle. Duggars stumping for Huckabee. I never thought I'd see the Duggars mentioned in the same sentence as "crash a party".)

Why the funk? Well, I spent New Years Eve and New Years Day in the ER. Two visits. If that's not a bad omen for the coming year, then I'm not sure what is. I had thought that my sun sensitivity would get better in the winter. It hasn't. It's actually become more of a problem than it was prior to now. I walked outside at dusk, for about four minutes, and I had already started to burn and blister. Then, the pain came. Bone crushing pain. I'm so sick of this. This isn't living. I can't even go in my childrens' bedrooms right now. There rooms are sunny and wonderful (for them). I don't want to have them put up the make-shift plywood and black sheets that are in my room. That wouldn't be fair. But, what do I do? It's not fair to go in their room and then have to bolt for the ER or Urgent Care, either. I've also noticed that I am losing energy. I cooked pancakes with freshly baked cinnamon apples and farm potatoes on December 30th and I had to drag a chair in so I could sit and chop stuff (of course, my chin was at counter level). I'm tired of having to wait until the sun goes down to do things outside of my bedroom. I'm tired of cleaning the kitchen at nine pm. I'm tired of putting so much on my husband. I wish my kids could do normal things, in normal places, and have me with them. Homework in my bedroom, because the UV bounce is too high in the dining room is annoying. And, short of bajillion dollar renovations, I don't even know what to do. I have special make-up and I always wear long sleeves...but, how much longer will I be a prisoner in this house? I hate lupus.

I know you guys don't deserve to have all of this dumped on you. But, frankly, I don't know who else to whine to. I *won't* whine to my husband because he'd send us to the poor farm making renovations and buying gadgets. Ha! And, sadly, this isn't likely to get better, so I need to keep finding ways to adjust. Hopefully, I'll shake this off and be happy again. I hope you're all having a fantastic 2008!!!

88 comments:

Poodles said...

Wishing you a cure for the new year.

kstorm said...

Sometimes you just have to let off some steam. No one can hold it all together all the time. We're in a funk at my house too - the death of a good friend the day after Christmas was a big blow.

And pain-wise I totally understand you - I have recurrent headaches and it isn't the level of pain so much as the constancy that gets to you. By day 5 of a bad one I just want have an hour of freedom and the desire to try and sleep it away is hard to overcome.

So go ahead and use this forum – hey it’s yours! Let it out because sometimes you just need to.

OzAtheist said...

dump away
Letting your frustrations out on your blog hopefully relieves some of your stress.
Cheers and best wishes for a good year for you and yours.

Dorota said...

zomg...you should not be apologizing for being able to vent! No one is twisting anyone's arm to read this and you should not be apologizing for being able to write it all down! My heart hurts for you - I wish I had the magic fairy dust of miracles to bring a speedy cure. We love you!

Christine said...

Sorry to hear you're feeling poorly, but glad to hear that the links gave you a chuckle! I thought of you right away when I saw them.

suzie q said...

You need that guy from those building shows. Ty something. I second Dorota: don't feel bad for venting ever.

heather said...

I will ask the obvius question. How come you won't ask God for healing power? What do you have to lose by just asking? You might be surprised and see changes. It frustrates me to see people in pain who are stubborn. I think of what they could have if they would surrender to God.

SWE said...

That stinks, Pmomma. Here's a big hug, and a better new year.

Vamp said...

Is heather for real???

We spent the New Year's Eve in the ER too. The boy wonder, my husband's son, tripped while delivering pizzas and sprained his ankle pretty bad. He thought he had broken it. Turns out its a grade 4 sprain....

Geez with the UV index being a ONE that totally sucks. So sorry you're still dealing with all this crap. Time for drastic measures??? You can't keep living like this. You gotta go down that awful road and give it a try. Crap unless you're too weak now, I'm sorry I didn't think about that....someone's gotta help you somehow....right?

Mindy said...

Pmomma, I've been enjoying your blog for about 6 months and am sorry to hear you're doing poorly. Here's wishing you better health for 2008.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Since Heather is a regular poster, I'm guessing she's for real. Heather...I don't even have it in me to respond to you tonight. Too tired. Too frustrated.

And, yeah. It's time for the "awful road". I just don't know how we're going to handle that. Last time we went there, I was completely wiped out most of the time, but... the babies were so small that it was actually not that tough to keep them corraled and watched over even if I just laid around on the couch or an air mattress in the livingroom. Now they're all over and aren't so content to stay in one place. And, then there are the normal worries like cleaning, cooking, and that sort of thing. Steph' is coming back to work for us, but we really can't afford her more than seven hours a week (while Mike does his late class). My mom is going to come over during his early class. I just don't know how we're going to do this. And, yeah, Vamp, we have to wait for all the labs to look good before we can start.

Suzie Q said...

VampDi - Geez with the UV index being a ONE that totally sucks. So sorry you're still dealing with all this crap. Time for drastic measures??? You can't keep living like this. You gotta go down that awful road and give it a try. Crap unless you're too weak now, I'm sorry I didn't think about that....someone's gotta help you somehow....right?


Knowing what I know, I would say she's not healthy enough to start a chemotherapy regiment. Sorry, Chris. It may be that she will do some meds to help boost her white count and lower the Westergen and sed rate. The UV intolerance suggests that her immune system is not working correctly. That's a bad place to start for chemo.

Vamp said...

Oh Almight Electric Energy, that can't really hear me, please heal my dear friend.

Heather, it Works just about as good as lighting a candle. It doesn't.

It frustrates ME to see people who are stubborn too. Indoctrined into useless time wasted spent on praying.

I thought God helped those who help themselves....that's an easy out, huh?

Robert said...

Hopes and wishes for you in the new year.

I have nothing else to offer, other than the fact that there are people who enjoy what you have to say, and hope you get well.

No feeling bad for venting either! Everyone's got to have an outlet or you'll go crazy.

Heather: Seriously... what's wrong with you? Do you really think that preying on someone in a time of weakness is an effective strategy? How arrogant and slimy can you be? You have to at least realize that PMomma doesn't hold your beliefs, and trying to offer yours as comfort in a time like this is just about as low as it can get.

You should be ashamed.

SWE said...

Oh man-I thought I'd inadvertently said something offensive as I started reading the comment thread, and then I realized that I post as SWE rather than my given name.

Heather, there is a time for listening and a time for offering advice. This was a time for listening. As a regular visitor to this community, you most certainly knew the effect your most recent comment would have. I'm with Robert. For shame, Heather, for shame. I'm not even into Jesus and I figure he'd want you to be better than that.

Heather said...

How was I arrogant and slimy? I ask a question of curiousity. What does she have to lose by praying or asking for prayers? I would pray for her. What are you going to do? Suzie, do you really think Ty Pennington and the EHM people would help an atheist? The show is Christian based. Now we can see why it doesn't pay to be atheist. You don't help each other like christians do. Alls you do is attack people when they suggest prayer.

Vamp said...

"Alls [sic] you do...."

What school did you go by Heather?

And how do you know what atheists do or don't do. I know quite a few atheists who do a LOT of community servie and volunteerism.

Making assumptions, isn't that a sin?

SamG said...

Pmomma, you give us such joy on a regular basis; I wish we could just hit a switch and send it all back to you! Vent all you care to, I promise we'll still be reading.

Vamp said...

Here's a warm and fuzzy EHM story that shows Christian values, NOT!

Every one of these stories is also about the failure of our society to help these people, outside of some very extraordinary acts of generosity. If those glorifying the "Christian values" of the show were to stop and think for a minute, they might realize that there are policy decisions, made by their elected representatives, that contributed to the fact that these individuals live in extreme poverty, dodge bullets on the way to the corner store, can't afford to send their children to college, have limited legal recourse to hold companies that make off with life savings liable, and have to work three jobs just to provide for their children.

So, the issue is: do we glorify the show for its values, while turning away from the decisions we must make as citizens to offer our own generosity to people in need of help?

Heather said...

Vampy, Is it an atheist trait to not site your sources?
http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/2005/09/extreme-makeover-home-edition-and.html
Possum mom accused me of not citing but will she accuse her friend. Let's see how much help she gets from atheists.

Kilted Dad said...

I hope you feel better soon Pmomma. I was just complaining today about the dark here in Seattle. You could easily do the dishes at about 4pm here this time of year. Or even as late as 7am.

Your situation puts things in a bit more perspective for me.

Heather,
Maybe I'll send in this "prayer rug" with my donation that god is asking for in his direct mail campaign I recieved today. I'll ask for a miracle cure for PMomma. I'm sure he'll forgive me for opening my prophecy before I sent the money as the direct mailing suggested. But it was addressed to "Resident" I wonder if god will use the barcode on the envelope to determine that the prayer was from me?

On second thought, maybe I'll just send my $$ to the Lupus Foundation of America (http://www.lupus.org/newsite/index.html).

Get well soon, PMomma.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Heather,
I really didn't want to do this tonight. But, since you seem bound and determined to hash this out, I'm going to respond to your points one at a time.

How come you won't ask God for healing power? What do you have to lose by just asking?
Well, setting aside the obvious (that I don't believe in God), what exactly would your God be able to do? After eight years post diagnosis, you would think that your God would've cured me when I asked four years ago...you know, when I was in the hospital for three months and said a prayer "just in case" for my lupus to go into remission. And, what would constitute an answer? I don't have anything to lose by asking, but...there's nothing to gain, either. I think I'd have a better shot asking you for help than asking God.

What are you going to do? Suzie, do you really think Ty Pennington and the EHM people would help an atheist?
Suzie has always been there for me.

As for Extreme Home Makeover or Ty Pennington... you have to be nominated. So, I wouldn't expect to see them in front of my house anyway. But, I would like to think that their Christian duty (if that's really what it is) would encourage them to help ANY person in need. That's how we all should be. We shouldn't ask people if they pray to our god (or no god) before we help them (should we have the means to help).

If my being an atheist would discourage someone from helping my family (or any other atheist family), then I'm not sure I would accept their help.


Possum mom accused me of not citing but will she accuse her friend. Let's see how much help she gets from atheists.

Heather, I'm not her mother. If she doesn't give a citation, then I'm not going to harp on her. Maybe she couldn't think of a way to express the thought as well as the original author. Should she have posted a link to that author? Well, yeah. But, I find it hysterical that you must've googled her words to see if she did it. Do you search every comment left in this blog? If you do,...you have far too much time on your hands.

All of that said, I'm just in a bad place right now. I feel like my world is getting smaller and smaller. And, unfortunately, because I have so many restrictions placed on me, I've lost a lot of connections to the world. I used to be the mom who had the kids out at Chuck E Cheese (with Vamp and her girls) every Wednesday morning. I used to take my kids to the snow or the river for fun. I would sit on our driveway and play Playdough for hours. I would build tents out of sheets and have slumber parties in the yard. I love my kids. I want to cram as much into their memories as I can, while they're still at home. But, this disease is taking away my ability to do that. You have no idea how upset this is making me. I, literally, can't leave this room during the day unless I want to end up with a bad burn and a fever. I can't help at their schools (even though I used to put in several hours a week), because I can't take the hit to my immune systems. I haven't been to a grocery store in two years. TWO YEARS. How would you feel if your life were so limited? How would you feel if you had to wait until after your kids were asleep to clean your hosue and make it habitable? Regardless of illness, there's a lot that must be done in a home with four children. I don't want a new house,... I just wish this house was more friendly to my disease. I wish I could make a few modifications to make life easier. But,... reality is reality. We can't swing it financially. That's not supposed to be seen as a cry for donations or help, it's just a vent.

Noirceuil said...

Hey Possummomma! Greetings from México! ¡Un saludo para ti y todas las zarigüeyitas!

I've been reading your blog since your clash with He-who-must-not-be-named.

I'm de-lurking myself to wish you a prompt recovery and tell you to hang in there! I empathize with you because my own mother has lupus and she suffers from the same problems that you do: pain, sensitivity to sunlight. Plus the lupus aggravates her osteoporosis and in fact she just recovered from a broken leg.

She was also a very outgoing lady, a true social whirlwind, and obviously the lupus has had an impact in all that; and yet she—like yourself, I'm sure—is determined to have a full life with those she loves, and the devil take her disease.

Anyway, I hope your condition improves soon. In the meantime, take it easy and don't let silly stuff, like da intarweb aggravate you.

Oh, and vent all you like! It always seems to help my mom to cuss us out! Very therapeutic, she finds it. :p

Milo Johnson said...

Gee, how come you don't ask the Tooth Fairy to heal you? You never know, it might work, right?

Psychodiva said...

((((((((Possummomma)))))))

virtual hugs from accross the pond- I hope things improve for you this year and I see nothing wrong with having a 'moan' on your own blog :)

Perpetual Beginner said...

Wow, refusing to help people who believe differently from you is a Christian value - who knew? It has nothing to do with the Christian values I attempt to practice.

Pmomma - all my best that your year isn't as bad as the omens say. One advantage of being a rationalist is you don't have to believe in omens, though. Last New Year's for me involved finding a brain tumor on an MRI, yet this year has not been near the horror show we imagined staring at that image.

Please, vent all you want. We're listening.

Mephitis said...

You can't choose belief like a hat to wear, Heather. It's not a question of whether something "pays". Pascal's wager is a very flawed argument.

I'd also like to point out there are atheist and secular charities, who do not attach strings to their efforts. Unlike some Christian organisations who accompany their work with proselytism. (Although I doubt you see why the latter is wrong).


I wish you very well, PM.

Erin said...

Wow, Heather, how very Christian and compassionate of you to kick someone when they're down. Jerry Falwell would be proud.

AlisonM said...

PMomma,it's your blog, you go ahead and vent all you like. There's no question that you need to, with your health situation being so sucky. Better to vent online, get it out of your system, so you can use the limited time your illness gives you for doing things you enjoy.

It might not be a direct help to you, but I think that concerned people, rather than wasting their energy wishing, praying, casting vibrations or intentions or whatever, would do more good sending contributions to, say, Lupus Foundation or some other local organization that's helped you directly.

kstorm said...

Heather -

What about the people who DO "surrender" to god, who pray and do what their religion tells them god wants them to do and still don't get better? I don't know about you but I know many of these people. How do you explain them? And if your answer to that is that "we can't understand god" then how can you tell any of us that we need to pray and we will get better? Don't you see the illogic in that? Either you DO know what god wants or you DON'T. And if you admit that humans can never really know god's mind then you cannot presume to tell someone else what to do to.

Robert said...

Heather: You're arrogant for coming to an atheist's blog and claiming your beliefs have a superior value to theirs.

You're slimy because you are attempting to use someone's moment of weakness as a tool to convert them to your faith. You're not praying for her, you're preying on her.

The rest of us can see that, and so can PMomma.

Thranil said...

PM: I hope for you to bounce back into good health. I love reading your posts, and I hope for you and your family that you get better! I'll also put in my vote for "Vent away!"

Heather: This past year, my family was hit with a serious problem that almost tore my wife and I apart. The financial strain alone has now put us well over $40,000 in debt and we're only just now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (let's hope it's not a train!). Anyway, the point of me sharing this is that we had a lot of people help us out through this year, but the vast majority of them were atheists! I have about equal numbers of Christian and atheist friends. Most of my Christian friends (all but 1) would say "We'll pray for you" or try to get my to come back to Jesus, but the atheists actually HELPED! I can't express in words how useless the Christians who just prayed were in my life. The ONLY thing that has made a difference in all of this were the people (myself and my atheists friends) DOING something. The praying and proselytizing just served to piss me off.

So in with this in mind, Heather, I'd recommend that you put a lid on it unless you actually want to DO something helpful.

Poodles said...

Possum mom accused me of not citing but will she accuse her friend. Let's see how much help she gets from atheists.

I can honestly say that if any of us lived near PM I can't imagine that any of her regular readers would hesitate to come help her. I know I would.

And PM I have gotten so good at injecting myself with drugs that if you needed me to, I would be happy to give you a shot in the ass with something medicated that would really help (unlike prayer), if you needed it and if I lived near by. :D

As for that TV show helping, maybe if we all send in a request, but we would need a video montage. I know because I nominated my In-laws when they were here in SL a few years ago, since my MIL is paralyzed. I even got several pictures of their religious stuff in the film, but they were never called. *sigh* I waited in line for over 3 hours.

Berlzebub said...

@ P-Momma:

I'm not sure of how sensitive you are to UV, but I did a search and found this. It's a UV filtering plastic that you can put over your windows. If you'd like, I can contact them and find out the prices.

I sincerely hope that you get better, and I also hope you know that many of us are concerned.

Also, you don't have to apologize for venting. In fact, since I live to far away to visit you, it's reading things like this that make you more than electrons on a screen. People like Heather seem to forget that they are actually talking to a person, when they're on a blog like this.

@ Heather:
Re: Obvious Question
That is soooo not an obvious question, because obvious questions do not have obvious answers. She doesn't pray to your God, or any gods for that matter, because she doesn't believe they exist. That you don't understand that brings your "atheists that I know" assertions into question. How would you like it if you were feeling poorly, and someone came onto your blog and asked "Why don't you pray to Zeus for relief?" Or "Why bother praying at all, to a false god? Allah is the only one that can heal you." Or, as you might think us godless would, "Stop praying you moron. Go to the hospital for whatever is wrong with you."

There's a little thing called "tact" that you, and a good many Christians do not seem to consider one of your "values". When I, or most atheists, visit other blogs (or even family homes), we don't tell you not to pray. Of course, we won't pray for you, but we will offer help of some form. And I mean real help. Notice that I gave P-Momma a link to a site that has UV filtering film for windows, instead of asking her why she doesn't pray.

Here's another one of the reasons we don't pray. Life expectancies have increased for everyone through advancements in medicine, during the 1900s. Prayer might give you the warm fuzzies, but it does absolutely nothing to treat a disease.

Re: Atheist Charities
There are many secular charities. In case you don't understand, secular means they don't involve religion. In effect, they are atheist (no god[s] involved) charities.

Re: Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
I visited the web address that you sourced, but didn't find a single thing that showed EM:HE as a Christian show. Even the "Christian values" that those blogs tout are questionable. Do you honestly think that atheists don't help others? Through the years, I've given a great deal of time and money to help those in need. Not just to family or friends, but even to strangers.

By the way, one of their designers, Michael Moloney, is *gasp* gay!

Re: Ty Pennington
For the host of a "Christian based" show, his "Christian values" are a bit wanting. He was arrested for a DUI. He also has a significant other by the name of Drea Bock, and they've been "living in sin" for several years (I can't find the citation, but I read about it while he was on "Trading Spaces"). Also, I have reason to doubt that Ty depends on prayer for healing. He's teamed up with, and become a spokesperson for, Bayer Aspirin.

Basically, Heather, everything you've said has not only been baseless, but also rude. If your "values" means that you'll only help those who believe in the same deity you do, and that help will only entail praying for them, then you can keep your religion. I'll help anyone I can, in any way I can. I don't give a rat's ass what they believe.

Soitgoes said...

PM,
All I can say is hang in there!

Heather,
Why don't you get all your praying friends and pray for your god to regrow the limb of an amputee?

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

Your comments identify why I have no respect for xtians - you haven't shown that you deserve any.

Saurian200 said...

P-Momma,

I am really sorry to hear that you're feeling so bad. Don't feel bad about dumping on the blog. It's your blog after all, post about whatever you want. If it makes you even a little better then go for it.

((((P-Momma))))

Saurian200 said...

Heather,

Rather then wade through the sea pf baseless accusations and questions we've already answered that you seem to be spewing all over this site, I'll instead refer you to this book:

unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity... And Why It Matters

It's shares the results of a three year study, by a christian group, into how people view Christianity. They found that among non-christians, the general opinion of christianity wasn't that good. The book goes into the problems that led to Christianity's image problem.

You demonstarate many of the problems the book talks about, for example, you display a convert at any cost mentality (Chapter 4) and you are very judgemental (Chapter 8).

If you read the book, I think you'd have an easier time understanding the things we've been trying to tell you.

aimee said...

Pmomma, everyone on here but Heather has had such wonderful things to say to you so there isn't much for me to add except that I also hope you get well and vent away.

I don't know what I can do from Colorado, but if there is something you can think of, you just ask.

In the mean time, I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts.

kupholder said...

Hoping you find some relief to this terrible disease, Pmomma.

Awesome_possum said...

I just wanted to say "thanks" to you guys. You're good friends.

She's going back to the hospital today at 3:30. Her rash looks like her last scarlet fever rash.

@Heather,
I'm 40 days short of 13 and even I know you're being a rude, PITA. Since I was raised (am being raised?) better than you appear to be, I'll stop there.

Maggie Rosethorn said...

Oh, Possummomma, I am SOOO sorry to read this. I wish I could cross the country in a single bound and help you out (or at least give you a hug!) Lupus really sucks with a flare. But one thing you are teaching your children is how to cope with things when life sucks, with grace and thankfulness for the little things you CAN do.
Hang in there. Let us know how you are doing, when you can, but don't stress yourself.

Maggie Rosethorn said...

Add note...thanks P1 for the update. Please let us know how your mom is doing when you can, or she can. Your whole family is in my thoughts.

awesome possum said...

Pmomma,
When you get back - Homework in the bat cave isn't so bad.
Toodles.

Poodles said...

Keep us updated. *hugs*

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Sending you best wishes from Australia.


Heather,

I would politely ask you to leave this blog, you add nothing to discussions and are rude and un-christian, a paragon of everything that is ugly about that religion.

Jim said...

Have you investigated SPF rated clothing? My mother-in-law who has SLE has used products from Solumbra and Coolibar and they seem to work pretty well. That said, I realize that everybody's SLE is different and it might not work for you. Worth a try perhaps...

Eight Hour Lunch said...

Aw crap, that completely sucks. (I mean Heather). The lupus is a drag, too. In the meantime, please, dump, dump, dump all you need to. Whatever it takes.

Heather said...

Possum momma - Do you search every comment left in this blog? If you do,...you have far too much time on your hands.

What if I do have a lot of time? I am at work when I blog here because of the time difference. I am a hotel desk clerk so I can do what I want.

How would you feel if your life were so limited? How would you feel if you had to wait until after your kids were asleep to clean your hosue and make it habitable?
I would turn to my lord and savior to ask if HE might bestow his grace upon me. Me being a Christian I would pray for strength and help instead of trying to make the world feel sorry for me. Alls you have to do is ask and HE will not for sake you. (Hebrews 13:5)

Mephitis -You can't choose belief like a hat to wear, Heather.
You do! Didn't you chose atheism?

Erin -Wow, Heather, how very Christian and compassionate of you to kick someone when they're down.
Don't tell me what I'm doing. You don't even know. I am not "kicking her" when she's down. I gave her advice to ask God which made every one of you jump down my throat.

Alison -It might not be a direct help to you, but I think that concerned people, rather than wasting their energy wishing, praying, casting vibrations or intentions or whatever, would do more good sending contributions to, say, Lupus Foundation or some other local organization that's helped you directly.

How is your suggestion better than mine? It sounds like she's been sick for a long time and when I looked up the disease on the internet it said the average life span was 8-10 years after the diagnoses. I got scammed on a foundation donation before. The costs for administration are where your money goes.

kstorm - What about the people who DO "surrender" to god, who pray and do what their religion tells them god wants them to do and still don't get better? I don't know about you but I know many of these people. How do you explain them?
There's no answer that will make any of you happy. I say God is mysterious and knows what is best even if it's not what we want. There are lessons in suffering. What if God is using her to teach others?

Robert - Heather: You're arrogant for coming to an atheist's blog and claiming your beliefs have a superior value to theirs.

You're slimy because you are attempting to use someone's moment of weakness as a tool to convert them to your faith. You're not praying for her, you're preying on her.

I'm only arrogant in your eyes because I won't back down from what I know is the truth. I said six prayers for her today. You're insulting me by trying to make people believe that I'm preying on her.

Thranil -"We'll pray for you" or try to get my to come back to Jesus, but the atheists actually HELPED! I can't express in words how useless the Christians who just prayed were in my life. The ONLY thing that has made a difference in all of this were the people (myself and my atheists friends) DOING something. The praying and proselytizing just served to piss me off.

I don't see you atheists doing anything here. You say stuff like donating to a foundation that won't help possum family now and saying that you DO things but I don't see you DOING anything concrete. I can point you to lots of news pieces where a Christian congregation has pulled together to help a christian friend. I feel like you are taking an easy way out to SAY you could help but I not hold my breth. You people talk a big talk.

So in with this in mind, Heather, I'd recommend that you put a lid on it unless you actually want to DO something helpful.

I'll donate to help her and I'll pray for her if someone who knows her comes up with a plan.
It seems like there are at least a few people who know her and what about Jack from the podcast?

Poodles -I can honestly say that if any of us lived near PM I can't imagine that any of her regular readers would hesitate to come help her. I know I would.

Another cop out sense there are people in this comments that are near here. I think SuzieQ and Vampy and Joe and Jack are near.

As for that TV show helping, maybe if we all send in a request, but we would need a video montage. I know because I nominated my In-laws when they were here in SL a few years ago, since my MIL is paralyzed. I even got several pictures of their religious stuff in the film, but they were never called. *sigh* I waited in line for over 3 hours.

I read the requirements that don't say you have to wait in a line. We should all submit her name but I don't know if she would give me her name and address. The nomination page says that don't have to have a video just pictures.

Bezelbub - Do you honestly think that atheists don't help others? Through the years, I've given a great deal of time and money to help those in need. Not just to family or friends, but even to strangers.

I don't know you. My point was if she was a member of my church we would be helping her but I'm in Aus. Christians know that the church will support them with tithes taken and special collections for those in need. Possum momma is an atheist and doesn't have that community. I have spoke with my spiritual leader and he is going to contact an American SDA congregation to see what they can do. You were saying?
I don't think bashing Ty's character is the way to get help.

Saurian - You demonstarate many of the problems the book talks about, for example, you display a convert at any cost mentality (Chapter 4) and you are very judgemental (Chapter 8).

You are right that I think we should convert at all costs because the costs of not converting are so high. We are commanded to spread the Word so when we don't we're disobeying His command.

awesome possum - I'm 40 days short of 13 and even I know you're being a rude, PITA. Since I was raised (am being raised?) better than you appear to be, I'll stop there.

You are being rude to people you don't know and your elder to boot. Is this what great parenting looks like? You have a foul mouth for a child. PITA means Pain In The Ass. Little girl you shouldn't talk to people like that when they trying to help your family.

Sean B - I would politely ask you to leave this blog, you add nothing to discussions and are rude and un-christian, a paragon of everything that is ugly about that religion.
I AM TRYING TO HELP.

Milo Johnson said...

Nobody wants your fairy-tale "help." Go away.

Joe said...

Wishing you better health in 2008 PM and thanks to P1 for the update. FWIW, you have a lot of supporters who read your blog and are pulling for you.

Perpetual Beginner said...

Heather, deep breath. Stop and think for a moment.

If you're trying to lead people to Christ, you're going about it exactly the wrong way. Look at the sheer number of people here who want to be anywhere but where you are. You might want to ponder that one. Not exactly the lovely light everyone wants to see the source of.

TonyInBatavia said...

Heather, get lost. Seriously. Your kind of "help" simply isn't welcome. Besides being remarkably, maddeningly condescending, the help you propose is the equivalent of trying to help raise the sea level by pissing in the ocean. It may feel good to you, but it's otherwise pointless.

SWE said...

Friends, I don't like this Heather person. She's mean.

And she thinks she can get away with attacking a young possum. That cannot stand, not even until Pmomma gets back from the ER. Regardless of the fact that this is a public forum, an "elder" doesn't get to eat babies for breakfast. (No matter how cool and mature they are-and make no mistake you ROCK, AwesomePossum.)

I vote Heather off the island.

Vamp said...

Heather: "I AM TRYING TO HELP."

VAMP: I can't get off the floor from laughing so hard, because you really can't see that you're not helping at all, can you?.

Alls (your southern slip is showing) you can do is stir up trouble.

Heather, YOU'RE FIRED!

Poodles said...

I'm with SWE. Vote her off! And attacking a possum will only bring you grief here Heather. YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP YOU ARE BEING A BITCH! (Sorry Possums, cover your ears for that last part).

Eight Hour Lunch said...

Heather, are *you* praying for Possummomma to convert and get better? How come *your* prayers in her behalf aren't working? Hmmm...

ShadesOfGrey said...

Good one, Eight Hour Lunch.

P-Momma, it's your blog and you can cry/whine if you want to. :) Sorry, everything reminds me of a song.

I second what Poodles said: I hope that there will be a cure found this year. I had some sort of sun-sensitivity that inexplicably appeared a couple of years ago; it also mysteriously disappeared last year. Fortunately for me, it was just during the summer months and was not so painful, just itchy as hell. I can't imagine having it to the degree that you do. My heart goes out to you.

Kilted Dad said...

My lack of gods, you are an arrogant bitch, Heather:

"There are lessons in suffering. What if God is using her to teach others?"

Frak off.

1steelcobra said...

I would turn to my lord and savior to ask if HE might bestow his grace upon me. Me being a Christian I would pray for strength and help instead of trying to make the world feel sorry for me. Alls you have to do is ask and HE will not for sake you. (Hebrews 13:5)

That's not really doing anything, though. Especially when you look at the book of Job, where in the story God basically destroys a good faithful man just to prove a point.

Berlzebub said...

@ Heather:
I don't know you. My point was if she was a member of my church we would be helping her but I'm in Aus. Christians know that the church will support them with tithes taken and special collections for those in need. Possum momma is an atheist and doesn't have that community. I have spoke with my spiritual leader and he is going to contact an American SDA congregation to see what they can do. You were saying?
Well, I contacted the company at the link that I gave P-Momma, to find out more information about the window film. I'm just waiting for them to reply.

On behalf of myself, and possibly some others here, I want to thank you for your efforts. Please extend the same to your spiritual leader.
I don't think bashing Ty's character is the way to get help.
That wasn't about getting help, Heather. I was pointing out that your assumption, based on some blog entries, was very questionable. All of the information that I gave was not "character bashing". It was public knowledge for anyone who wanted to look for it.

By the terms that you give for "Christian" charity, the show must be secular. They don't proselytize, or only help those of the same faith. Please show me where they actually turned down someone's application because they were atheist, muslim, or any other religion besides Christian.

@ Heather (to awesome possum):
You are being rude to people you don't know and your elder to boot. Is this what great parenting looks like?
And you're being rude to people you don't know, and your elder to boot. P-Momma posted this to vent about her current problems, and you used it as a chance to proselytize. Then, you have the nerve to be offended when her daughter defends her mother.

So, yes. This is what great parenting looks like. She doesn't think of strangers, even though they are older than her, as authority.
You have a foul mouth for a child. PITA means Pain In The Ass.
[sarcasm]No shit? I wouldn't have known that if you told me. [/sarcasm]

Your the one who actually typed out *gasp* "ass". At least she used an acronym in case kids come visit this page.
Little girl you shouldn't talk to people like that when they trying to help your family.
Well, little girl, waybe if you'd actually shown you were trying to help, instead of asking P-Momma why she didn't pray, all of use might have been nicer to you. Until you responded to me, you gave no evidence that you were actually helping. Only proselytizing.

So, get off your damn high horse, and either actually offer help, or shut the hell up. (And yes, I can say that. I'm your elder. Therefore, by your own rules, I don't have to show you respect.)

@ awesome possum:
There's no need for thanks, but you're all very welcome.

Have someone measure all of your windows (the glass panes only), and send me the sizes. I'll figure out how much you need, and how much it'll cost. Then we'll go from there.

Send the measurements to:
berlzebub_at_gmail_dot_com

Jim said...

Heather - You are being rude to people you don't know and your elder to boot. Is this what great parenting looks like? You have a foul mouth for a child. PITA means Pain In The Ass. Little girl you shouldn't talk to people like that when they trying to help your family.

Heather, if you aren't rude yourself I think it may be time to come up with a new definition for that word. And the only help you are providing here is to inflate your own sense of righteous arrogance.

Regardless of her age, awesome_possum is mature enough to recognize a PITA when she sees one and courageous enough to call you on it. Being an “elder” doesn’t get you any extra points in a battle of wits. However, what it should accord you is the knowledge that opinions are like assholes; everyone has one but no one wants to see (or hear) yours.

That said, I think we passed the "Do not feed the trolls" sign several cages back,
and are now well within the trollarium proper.

Joanna said...

Geeze, feel better all you Possums! It's hard to be the caretakers of a sick person too. My DH was in the hospital a good bit of Decemeber. We got home yesterday.
Nurse: I can change the chanel if you want to see the ball drop.
Us: the...ball...drop...?
The UV film sounds like a great idea. Maybe coupled with awnings, if you don't already have them. I have aluminum awnings, I can tell you, they block A LOT of light.

Berlzebub said...

@ Everyone:

I've decided to put my altruism where my mouth is. I'm starting a collection to help P-Momma spend some daylight hours with her kids. If anyone is interested, shoot me an email.
Note: One person already said they'd participate

@ Joanna:
Awnings are a great idea. Any idea how much they cost?

Natasha Yar-Routh said...

I am so sorry, I had an uncle who suffered from Lupus and I know how miserable it can be. I can only hope that it goes into remission or that science finds if not a cure then some way to relive the symptoms. Vent all you want it's your blog and if it helps you to vent do it.

Awesome_possum you are just that awesome. Keep it up and please keep us posted.

Heather, I wondered when I started reading PMomma's post how long it would be before some religous troll tried to take advantage of PMomma's pain. You arrived even quicker then cynical little me thought possible. May great Cthulu grant you what you truly deserve.

Saurian200 said...

Heather,

You are right that I think we should convert at all costs because the costs of not converting are so high. We are commanded to spread the Word so when we don't we're disobeying His command.

However, the METHOD you're using to spread the word is only pushing us farther from your god. Do you think that is what he wanted?

You've tried one method of trying to spread the word, and is has failed spectaculerly. If you continue to act as you have, then you will have actively chosen to push us away from your god.

If we are going to hell, then you seem to be trying to do everything in your power to send us there. I'm sure your god would be proud.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Hello all,
I'm home. Home, but frickin' exhausted again. And, who the hell turned the wind on? It's a very blustery day. Mike just sandbagged our porch off because we've got a low spot (with a drain) and there's talk of flooding tonight. Anyway, all of that was my attempt to avoid the health talk...

I want my PICC line back. I hate being poked by needles and IVs. I got some pain control and I think my home meds will do okay now that it's back under control. In the middle of all of this, P4 caught some puking nastiness, but he asked for a pizza a few minutes ago, so I think he's on the mend.

I'm humbled by the outpouring of good thoughts aimed this direction and by those who want to help. Heather, you don't get it do you? It's not about what your church does or what someone else doesn't. Giving is a very private and personal extension of yourself to someone in need. And, doing that without heralding trumpets is one of the most noble traits in humanity. Let me give you an example: the older possums recently made twenty ribbon boards (a tactile activity) for blind children. They spent several hours (and a lot of allowance money) buying the needed equipment and putting them together. When it was done, it was done and they simply dropped them off at the door of the lady who teaches the newly blind. No name. No fuss. That's how we do it in this family. So, for you to act like no one was helping because they didn't post their plans or whatever is silly and juvenile. I had one person from these comments call my cell phone and leave me the coolest message of support. THAT is a form of help.

Obviously, I haven't read through all of these comments, yet. So, I'll close for now. I just wanted to address that. *hugs*

...and now I'm sleepy again. :)

Vamp said...

I guess I missed your call and now, hopefully, you are resting peacefully PM, we went out for a late lunch at Olive Garden when you called. I hate paying that much for any pasta dish that I could make myself....but it was nice to not cook.

We haven't been to OG since my sis in law had her baby shower there for her oldest, and that was 13 years ago. Even more funny we bumped into her there too. She said she's got another voiceover for me to do. Yeah!

And yes, DAMN, it's scary windy out there -- waiting for the STORM of the century to hit. The news makes it sound like we're all gonna be without power too.

Janet said...

sending as many hugs as I can.

Heather said...

Heather, you don't get it do you? It's not about what your church does or what someone else doesn't. Giving is a very private and personal extension of yourself to someone in need. And, doing that without heralding trumpets is one of the most noble traits in humanity.
I get it very much. Do you get humility? Do you always look gift horses in the mouth like you're doing to me? I could with a phone call make all your needs be met by our church but they're waiting for my call. I told them that you are an atheist family and they were ready to help show how we take care of people in need. I don't know that I want to make that call. I think I will let your atheist friends help you. To bad for you.

FSMismyhero said...

Heather, can you really be this obtuse? By your own comment it is glaringly obvious that you don't get it.

"I told them that you are an atheist family and they were ready to help show how we take care of people in need."

Your church is willing to help to SHOW how great they are...FAIL!!!

With your condescending attitude I really doubt p-momma, or anyone else would want your help. SHOO LITTLE TROLL SHOO!!!

Coop said...

You need to back off. Stop calling my wife a troll. SHE IS NOT A TROLL. She is a good CHRISTIAN woman who wanted to learn about atheism. She was moved by Possummommas pain and suffering and so offered her the greatest comfort the world will know - Christ's loving sacrifice. Mocking my wife makes you feel like big men I'm sure. Do you want to have a go at me? On for young and old is what this place is. Bunch of drongos.

yuyay said...

P-momma,
My husband has very sensitive psoriasis on his hands. It doesn't sound bad, but it means that he can't do much cooking or cleaning (dust, detergent, protective gloves, and many foods all wreak havoc). When it gets really bad, he can't even button up his shirt or pick up a cup. He hates to put extra work on my shoulders like you hate to burden your husband. It stresses him out more, which triggers more problems. I'm saying this to put myself on your husband's side and remind you that that's what we're here for! We might resent the disease for how it makes you feel, but we never resent you for the situation it puts us in!

Let us know if you think the UV covering would work. Also, if you have any ergonomic issues to deal with in the kitchen (or anywhere else) I might be able to help there with some suggestions (I grew up around occupational therapists and bad backs!) Do yo have a table that you can move the prep work to to make it a better height?

fsmismyhero said...

coop,
And threatening physical violence makes YOU feel like a big man doesn't it? If your wife has a problem with how she is being treated she can go away. If she really wanted to learn about atheism she would listen instead of preaching to us and taking advantage of another person's pain to futher her agenda.

Heather,
Why the need to have your husband and friends stick up for you? You can't defend yourself? SERIOUSLY take a hint!

Heather said...

My husband didn't threaten physical violence!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ask him to come by and read what you are saying about me and to me and he got angry. You have treated me bad.

I was going to have my church help but I got to thinking about that this may be a scam. If possummomma is so lupused than how did she go to Yosemite. Did you look at her picasa album cause there are a lot of outside pictures. How would she take them without going outside. Than there is the cleaning that she's whining about but we can see in her pictures that its' not that dirty for a house with six. How do we know shes not faking? I will help if some body can verify she has the disease and is being truthful.

FSMismyhero said...

Heather,
You mean you want PROOF of something before you commit to it??? Sound familiar hmmm??? You can believe what you want; let us believe what we want. Don't help, go away.

(In my part of the world "have a go" means to fight, perhaps its different where you and we are having a translation problem but I don't know)

erin said...

Heather, if you feel you're treated poorly...then why come back? I'm someone who DOES turn to God with my problems, who does pray, and who does believe in a higher power, but what you are doing here disgusts me. You've chosen to infiltrate and blindly attack a group of people who pose no threat to you. Worse yet, you've come in at a time when Pmomma is struggling with life, and you ask her why she doesn't turn to God. If you've read the blog, YOU KNOW WHY. You could've simply offered your condolences, yet you chose to take an accusatory stance.
You've so far sent your friend Jacinda and your husband in here to pack you up, so you're basically starting issues...then not even displaying the strength to go through and back your own self up. And yes, you can sit here and say that you just "asked" your friend and husband to come read, but it's obvious that you can't handle your own argument. You've stooped so low as to attack a young girl who is on here defending her mom while her mom IS IN THE HOSPITAL. That's weak, shameful, and quite frankly, pathetic.

Perpetual Beginner said...

FSMismyhero - I think, in this context "Have a go" means a verbal battle, rather than a physical one.

Heather & husband - several people who know Pmomma IRL post here fairly regularly. If it's a scam, it's a long-standing, consistent, and very elaborate scam, which, you may note, has not once involved asking for money, or indeed anything more elaborate than occassionaly and voluntarily reading a vent. Any other efforts people go to come from our own desire to help.

Now please, go pray in the closet rather than on the street corner, and help or don't help as you please, but not so as to win approval from your fellow man.

TonyInBatavia said...

Amazing, coop. Your wife came to someone else's blog, arrogantly and condescendingly treated everyone here as though they are totally deaf to truth (as though she was the only one that can hear it), densely continued to verbally shit on everything the blog's readers had to say in response to her, insulted the blog's author, child, and readers, ignored pleas to simply leave since she was doing absolutely no good here, implied that the author is running a scam on her readers, and *you* have audacity to tell us to back off. Two peas in a pod, you two. (And, yeah, your wife's a troll. You, too. Christian trolls, perhaps, but trolls nonetheless.)

We'd like you to leave now. In case you haven't noticed, you're simply not welcome here. Your useless "help" isn't welcome. Your continued presence is as useful as sunglasses in a coffin. In addition to having zero respect for you, it turns out we really don't like you. So, please leave.

(Incidentally, my telling you all of this doesn't make me feel like a big man. It simply satisfies my desire to reiterate how much we'd rather not have you here any more.)

By the way, most of us have Christians we respect and love in our lives already. From everything you've shown here, neither of you are in any way respect-worthy. You'd seriously be better served to let the Christians we love do your work for you. At least they're good role models. Meanwhile, your continued presence here makes us impatient with you and gives those Christians we love a bad name. Simply put, you both suck at the conversion racket. Get out now.

Natasha Yar-Routh said...

fsmismyhero,

I do not live all that far from Pmomma and 'have a go' is an invitation to a fight here to.

Heather,

Pmomma has written about her Lupus for a long time. I know from having relatives with lupus that it can go from a background irritation to totally crippling overnight. No one ehere is trying to scam anyone least of all you. What is going on is that Pmomma's ageist friends are doing concrete things to help her. You stared by telling her to pray (doesn't work, may hurt)then offering your churches help if she would believe and then saying you could get everything she needs with one call if we weren't so mean. You, Heather, are a concern troll. Now please go away.

1steelcobra said...

Do you always look gift horses in the mouth like you're doing to me?
So, telling us that essentially we fail because we don't listen to Pascal's Wager is a "gift?"

Coop: Hello, Mr. Internet Tough Guy.It's easy to make such claims to people in other states when you don't know what they look like, their professions or skills, or without actually reading the trollish comments your wife makes.

Also, to note, the term Good Christian _______ doesn't carry any weight here.

Saurian200 said...
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Saurian200 said...

Coop,

You need to back off.

We don't need to do anything. This isn't your blog. You don't get to give orders around here.

Stop calling my wife a troll. SHE IS NOT A TROLL. She is a good CHRISTIAN woman who wanted to learn about atheism.

Her actions strongly suggest otherwise. Despite numerous attempts by many of us to engage her in a serious discussion, she has continually ignored us.

For instance she has repeatedly asked why P-momma doesn't turn to god to cure her illness. Despite coutnless posters (including P-Momma herself) answering her question, she has refused to accept the answer and instead just keeps repeating the question.

Someone who really wanted to learn something would either accept the answer they were given, or they would explain specifically why they don't accept the answer so that others could adress those concenrns. Your wife has NOT done that.

Instead she has made baseless accusations against us and behaved in an arrogant self-centered way. Something you don't seem to understand is that most of the posters here feel that respect is something that needs to be earned not just given. Heather has not shown us that she deserves repect. That is why we treat her the way we do.

Complaining about it won't change anything.

She was moved by Possummommas pain and suffering and so offered her the greatest comfort the world will know - Christ's loving sacrifice.

I thought you said your wife wanted to learn about us. Now, your saying she was trying to prosaltyze and convert us. That's not the same thing. Not even close. This suggests she already thought she knew everything she needed to already. So, which is it?

Also, we don't consider that a gift. So why do you and your wife keep expecting us to be grateful for the chance to hear a message we've already heard countless times.

Before you complain about us not accepting your "gift" maybe you should take the time to show us why we would even want it or believe in the first place.

If you are unable or unwilling to do so then, as far as we are concerned, your "gift" is just a figmint of your imagination. It's no different then offering her a lump of play-doh and saying it's a wishing stone that will make everything better and acting shocked when we think you're wrong.

Mocking my wife makes you feel like big men I'm sure.

It's statements like this that we are giving your wife a tough time about.

You don't know us. You have made NO attempt at all to learn about us. Yet, based on nothing at all, you assume you know what's going on in our heads. You don't, stop pretending.

Not to mention the little problem that many of the people here are women.

Do you want to have a go at me?

Grow up. You're not a child so stop acting like one.

And don't expect us to treat you like one. Which means, if anything we said bothers you, we don't care. We are not here to make you and your wife feel good about yourselves.

If you want to learn something then talk to us instead of preaching at us.

If you want to be treated well the show us you deserve it instead of whining like a spoiled child.

On for young and old is what this place is. Bunch of drongos.

Did it make you feel like a big man to say that?

Saurian200 said...

Heather,

The following says everything we need to know about you:

I could with a phone call make all your needs be met by our church but they're waiting for my call. I told them that you are an atheist family and they were ready to help show how we take care of people in need. I don't know that I want to make that call. I think I will let your atheist friends help you. To bad for you.

You say you can help but you are actively withholding that help because you and P-momma aren't on the best of terms. How christ-like.

That's the difference between you and the people here that you can;t seem to understand. The people here are helping, just to help. Unlike you, they are not exopecting anything in return. I would also like to point out that not all of the people here are atheists. Some posters are even christians. They are all helping P-Momma because it is the right thing to do.

You on the other hand have suggested that Christian Chariities shouldn't help non-Christians:

Suzie, do you really think Ty Pennington and the EHM people would help an atheist?

And now you are saying that you could help P-Momma with a single phone call but you won't hasn't stroked yu ego and is still an atheist.

I find you to be a hiddeously immoral person.

Given what everyone's actions have shown about them I say th following with complete confidence.

P-Momma is a better person than you.

Awesome_Possum is a better person than you.

Everyone here are better people than you.

Actions speak louder then words. Your actions have painted a very disgusting picture of you and that is why everyone is giving you such a hard time. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

fdqpink said...

I have sat back and watched the dialog of the last few days and as much as I try I cannot believe the blackmail offered by the detritus going under the name of heather and coop.They call themselves "good christians" and yet from why I am seeing the real christians are ashamed to be linked with you. Whats next will they start picketing the hospital the good lady gets her treatment?
So @heather and coop I say
I am disgusted by you.
Your ignorence is only overshadowed by your bigotry and delusion.
Until you understand the meaning of friendship,help and support may I suggest you go and offer oral service to your three in one invisible friend and leave decent people alone.

Nice and Blue said...

wow. You guys are really intense.

I'll avoid the firefight and merely say that I wish this world was not such an awful place so often, I wish the few people in this world who seem to cause such great happiness would not be dealt such great misofortune.

The best of luck to you in 2008 PMomma, and by all means, know that your rantings are justified and heard.

Hugo said...

PM, I hope you can beat that disease, I know that sounds a lot like prayer but my hope is offered without baggage ;-)

As for a more substantial action, Kilted Dad, thanks for the link to the Lupus Foundation. I'm not in the US but I'm sure they accept credit cards and I'll look into it.

Joanna said...

@berlzebub:
I think awnings are about $200 a window. I'm trying to replace mine: and having a hard time finding aluminum ones online. (I don't know if fabric would block as much light)I do have a brochure at home, so I'll take a look tonight.
I also came across these UV blocking shades
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=7000&category=$50%20-%20100&N=0+5002206+7
It looks like they'd retract like regular window shades when not needed. they might be less obtrusive, and also less expensive.

Peter Mc said...

All the best from all here.