Sunday, January 06, 2008

Crappy Food

You know...I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that I could avoid a great deal of pain and fatigue if I would just let the possums eat the way they'd like to eat. That, of course, would be a solid diet of spaghetti, steamed veggies, and soup. Throw in a McD's trip on occasion and they'd be happier than pigs in...well, you know.

But, at the apex of this grand plan is the realization that I would probably drive Dr. Possum bonkers with rants and raves about the nutrition value of what they're eating. It's very cruel, actually. I bitch when I'm not cooking because it seems like they eat a lot of empty carbs and lack variety. But, here I am bitching about how tired I am. So, what's the solution? The solution is to cook, then bitch about the fatigue, and then eat the food and feel some measure of comfort in that they are eating well.

This week has been a strange week, culinary wise. Friday night, I made lentil soup. Saturday night was handmade spanikopita and grilled chicken. Tonight is Philipino night at the possum den - Pansit. Mmmmmmmmmm....pansit. I think I've crammed enough veggies in them to allow a hiatus from the kitchen. Tomorrow night is pizza or some other empty carb.

Which brings me to my religoius rant for the day: Why aren't Christians vegetarian? If they follow the letter of the law, in the 10C's....why are they murdering animals? It says "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Yes. I'm being intentionally obtuse (a bit). But, there's a certain level of hypocrisy in saying that you value all of God's creation and LIFE, while you're cramming a Big Mac and genetically engineered fries in your mouth. And, it is this thought that leads me to think of Christians like the Duggars: Huge family, suck-ass diet. God provides...but, apparently he only provides processed tater tots and Campbells Cream of Mushroom soup. If the Christians are truly trying to "live a Christ-like life", why aren't they operating on a steady diet of flat bread and lamb? I'll even toss in fish. But, to my knowledge, there was no Panda Express or Taco Bell in Jerusalem. What would Jesus eat?

Ok. Rant over. A noodly concoction of carrots, snow peas, celery, green onions, cabbage, pork, and oyster sauce is calling my name. P1 wants to make baklava with the left over phylo dough (from the spanikopita), tonight. I've decided to sit in a chair and supervise. :)

37 comments:

Michele said...

Actually there is a book called "What Would Jesus Eat?". As I recall the diet was heavy on bread made with barley and fish. Lamb was a special treat as was the odd vegetable.

Paul said...

Your kids eat veggies? I'm jealous.

amarullis said...

I always wondered why christians ate foods forbidden in the bible. A christian friend told me that Jesus said that the rules of the old testement were no longer valid, which I don't remember reading and I know many that are definitely followed (namely the big 10). I really think it is pick & choose what you want to follow and forget the rest.

Chakolate said...

I have occasionally wondered how good Christians can fight in a war. The commandment says, 'Thou shalt not kill'. It doesn't say, 'unless your preznit has a little crusade' or 'unless you're in a war' or even 'unless you're attacked'. It doesn't even say, as you point out, that Thou Shalt Not Kill Humans. It's four little words that mean, Don't Kill. Period.

Chris said...

I've been hearing that a lot from my mom as well, that the rules in the old testiment are no longer valid. Is this really in the bible, or is it a common misconception theists keep having so they feel better ignoring some of the more barbaric rules?

Mmm, lentil soup.

Calladus said...

I do the majority of cooking in my home, but I don't have much time to do it. Luckily I only cook for two.

Still, I often use a humongous pot and cook several gallons of soup, stew, gumbo... whatever. Or I'll use two slow cookers and make a roast or two. I also have a large Wok in which I can whip up Kung Pao or Mandarian chicken or beef with lots of veggies.

After dinner, I'll make portions in Ziplock containers. I'll fill our fridge freezer and chest freezer with containers of dinner.

I'll make two or three meals this way twice or three times a month. We get a stockpile of frozen food, and several choices that we can pop in the microwave. I get to control the quality of the food, and I get a selection of good meals on the nights I work late.

I don't know if it would be possible to do something like this for your large family - but perhaps it might be worth looking at?

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Oh yeah, Calludus, I freeze meals when I'm having good weekends. Usually, I'll cook an entire chicken in the crockpot (or a bunch of chicken breasts) and then make pulled chicken for burritos or sammiches. The meat is never the problem for Pdaddy. He is really talented with the bbq. It's the reliance on empty carbs and huge portions of those carbs that drives me batty. And, because he doesn't normally add in things, the pasta *I* like to cook with tastes very odd if it's unseasoned or accompanied by veggies. It's just a matter of pre-planning, really. He's just not all that creative when it comes to putting flavors together. But, like you, we do a lot of soups (enough for left-overs), gumbo, jambalaya, and stews. They're great for getting that rainbow of color. My other favorite is foil wrapped fish with veggies. That's easy to toss in the oven. I'll also sneak yams/sweet potatos, squash, and other less liked veggies into other foods (like Knishes or soups). Fruits are no problem.

Heather said...

You really are dense. The Bible is supposed to be followed with common sense. Eating meat is sanctified by Gods command to Adam that the beasts of the field were to be his to use at his disposal and in his command. Thou shalt not kill applies to living human beings. This is just another example of atheist logic. Christ ate any food that was availble in Europe at the time which would be things like lamb, fish, fruits, vegetables, breads, and oil. I value life in all forms so I give thanks to God for the life given to us for our nourishment.

Poodles said...

Christ ate any food that was availble in Europe at the time

Christ lived in Europe? HUH... Learn something new every day...

Mephitis said...

You really are rude, Heather.

FSMismyhero said...

Europe! ROFLMAO!!!

So that's where he was during those "missing" years.

Ahh I needed a laugh!

Joy said...

Heather must be referencing the blond, Aryan Jesus. You know. The one Hitler liked.

Heather,

If you'd like to seriously consider the vegetarian argument posed here, I'd suggest you read "Good News for All Creation: Vegetarianism as Christian Stewardship". Maybe reading the words of a fellow christian who supports PossumMomma's argument would clear the topic up for you.

http://www.amazon.com/Good-News-All-Creation-Vegetarianism/dp/0971667608/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199712553&sr=8-7

Joy said...

Shoot... Here's the link in full:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-News-All-Creation-Veg
etarianism/dp/0971667608/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=
books&qid=1199712553&sr=8-7

Berlzebub said...

@ Amarullis & Chris:

Here's a list of the places that "new covenant" appears in the Bible. I'm actually for your friends interpretations, because that means being an atheist, homosexual, or witch doesn't require being put to death in some horrible fashion.

However, the problem with that is this one:
1jo 2:7
Beloved, no new commandment write I unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning: the old commandment is the word which ye heard.


@ Heather (with apologies to P-Momma for feeding the troll):

You really are dense. The Bible is supposed to be followed with common sense.
And you wonder why we don't like you, Heather. I also find it extremely ironic that you call P-Momma dense, and then talk of following the Bible with common sense. If everyone did, Heather, there'd be more atheists. The Bible actually says to "receive the kingdom of God as a little child". How many "little" children do you know of who use common sense?
Eating meat is sanctified by Gods command to Adam that the beasts of the field were to be his to use at his disposal and in his command. Thou shalt not kill applies to living human beings.
The only passage I can find, in five different translations of the Bible, says that man is supposed to have "dominion" over everything else on Earth. Can you tell me which passage actually says that all animals are supposed to be food for man?

Also, if it applies to human beings, why did God supposedly condone the genocidal slaughter in the Bible?
This is just another example of atheist logic. Christ ate any food that was availble in Europe at the time which would be things like lamb, fish, fruits, vegetables, breads, and oil.
In case you don't understand why so many find what you said humorous, Heather, nothing in the Bible occured on the European continent. It was all in Africa and southwestern Asia. (And you call P-Momma dense?)
I value life in all forms so I give thanks to God for the life given to us for our nourishment.
And I thank, personally when I meet one, the ranchers who grow the beef, the veterinarians who help keep it healthy, the butchers who carve it up, and the store owners who make it easier for me to find it. I'm also thankful for my dad teaching me how to hunt for my own, when I'm of a mind to do so.

Jess Wundrun said...

Heather is actually right in her assertion that it is okay to eat meat etc. because man has been given dominion over the earth by god.

That is, her logic is correct (and the Europe part is hilarious - but maybe she's a Dan Brown fan; isn't that where Jesus and Mrs. Jesus retired to after the crucifiction?).

Remember, there is a fanatical group of christians called Dominionists who believe that we should actually bring about the destruction of the earth so as to hasten the second coming of christ. They also conveniently use this as an excuse to drive Escalades with fish bumper stickers and to drive their ATV's through Yellowstone. James Watt, former Secretary of the Interior, is one of the most famous of the Dominionists and evoked that thinking when he said: "I do not know how many future generations we can count on before the Lord returns."

arana-suteshi said...

I was raised Baptist, and what Heathers says is pretty much what my congregation believed, to a point. Animals weren't put on Earth to feed man, because before the Fall, nothing died. If nothing was meant to die, then man was not meant to eat living creatures.

But for some reason, after the whole forbidden fruit thing, it...was okay? Which I never really understood. But you didn't argue with the pastor, even if he was an idiot.

I don't equate "dominion over" with "right to kill". I would think being given responsibility of the earth and all its creatures would entail protecting and nurturing, not bending to our will and driving to extinction for our own needs.

Perpetual Beginner said...

Ahem (picture throat clearing at a lectern).

"Then God said, 'I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

That would be Genesis, Heather. Page two in the Bible I happen to have closest to the computer. I believe it's on the first page of my other edition. Hard to miss.

TonyInBatavia said...

Oh, man, what a letdown. Here I thought, given that she and her husband hadn't responded to the last wave of "get lost" messages in the "Funkalicious" thread, that Heather had done the Christian thing and simply gone away from the blog. But, like a monster in a horror film, she just keeps coming back. Damn.

You'd think, after everyone made clear that she's a horrible role model for Christianity, that she'd maybe go away for a while to figure out how to become more human, humble, and civil, then come back in a few months to demonstrate that she's finally worthy of our attention and respect. No such luck. Instead, she persists in demonstrating her rather twisted, ugly, and demented form of Christianity to us. It's not like we mind having such despicable people to point our Christian friends to as a demonstration of what's wrong with their religion, but at some point her behavior reflects poorly on the entire human race. That's the real shame.

John said...

I AM NOT THAT JOHN.

Adam and Eve would have been vegetarian.

God gave man animals for food after the food.

John said...

OOPS, I mean after the FLOOD.

See Genesis 9;2-3

1steelcobra said...

I have occasionally wondered how good Christians can fight in a war. The commandment says, 'Thou shalt not kill'. It doesn't say, 'unless your preznit has a little crusade' or 'unless you're in a war' or even 'unless you're attacked'. It doesn't even say, as you point out, that Thou Shalt Not Kill Humans. It's four little words that mean, Don't Kill. Period.

It says "thou shalt not kill" in only one part of the old testament. Throughout the rest are orders to kill, rape, enslave, and pillage.

Karen said...

I've also seen "thou shalt not kill" translated as "thou shalt not murder". So you aren't meant to go knife the butcher who overcharged you for dismembering your sheep, but fighting in a war is okay.

Isn't English wonderful?

Perpetual Beginner said...

Correct, John. The same verse also forms the basis for Jewish slaughter rules (not eating an animal with its lifeblood still in it). However, given that mankind is explicitly given animals as food at a later point, I think that Heather ascribing the eating of animals to the dominion given to man in Genesis is suspect. Also, unless Heather only eats meat slaughtered by the kosher rules, why would she eat meat at all? It's the same verses.

Among other things, given that in other places various verses say man is to rule over his wife in much the same way, I don't think it's our stewardship over the earth that gives us the right to eat things. Cannabalism, yum!

kstorm said...

I really do not write this to feed the troll but something H said got me.

To try and use common sense to interpret the bible means different things to different people. "Common sense" for one group of people may be totally different for another group. Not to mention how things we think of as common sense may be different than the things our own forebearers may have thought of as commons sense.

Which leads me to question how the bible can be a guide for life if its meaning has changed over time AND means different things to different people today.

And not I am not talking just about the specific example of Thou shalt not kill as PM says it is a bit obvious what is meant there when you look at historical context. But today when our understanding of animals and how much pain they feel (for instance) has changed - I wonder that more people have not at least made the move to make sure they are eating humanly raised foods.

In other words, historical context has changed in this and so many other areas that if we use common sense to interpret what it written, it is different than it was 50 or 100 or 1000 years ago. So where is the constancy of god's word then?

amarullis said...

The foods forbidden in the bible that I was talking about are things like shellfish, pork, bloody meat, etc.

Berlzebub- I am all for the "new covenant" excuse if it kept Christians from killing witches, but does that all mean that all of the rules of the old testament should be thrown out the window? The Christians I know that believe in the new covenant still pick and choose according to the way they were raised and the things they fear most.

fdqpink said...

Pmomma said..
"If the Christians are truly trying to "live a Christ-like life", why aren't they operating on a steady diet of flat bread and lamb? I'll even toss in fish."

There is your problem, christians are only interested in bringing others into the fold. Mostly so they can get to know them and tell the rest of the flock what sinners they are.If they actually believed their holy rule book they would realise their chances of "gowan up to heben" are slimmer than an anorexic in skinny land.
Personally I will eat almost anything I am told not to in the burble.Especially fond of pork and black(blood) pudding.My favourite vegetable is beer.
Of course we could eat meat after the "flood" the only way a tenth of the world animal species would have fitted in the ark is if they were minced(ground)

Christine said...

Unspoken commandment: "Thou shall cherry pick thy scripture and thy interpretation of scripture to suit thouself." :P (not sure if I got all the "thys "and "thous" right there)

True for any religion, not just Christianity.

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...
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fdqpink said...

While I was writing amarullis posted on forbiden foods I don't know if any one has read "The Black Book of the Yezidi" but in it the tree of life and the tree of knowledge are named.
The vine and wheat. Strange how the fruit of these is what they use to remember de lawd in the Wine bread sacrement.
Perhaps they all worship Satan.
Food for thought?

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

I AM NOT THAT JOHN

cracked me up, absolutely priceless.

I was under the impression that originally thou shalt not kill was actually supposed to be, thoushalt not kill other Jews - gentiles were fair game?

DENSE: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity

HEATHER: (see Dense)

Atheist in a mini van. said...

John said...
I AM NOT THAT JOHN.


ROFLOL!!! You owe me a new monitor. I think that should be your handle "notthatjohn". ;)

Heather said...
You really are dense. The Bible is supposed to be followed with common sense.

Rrrrrrright. Because, common sense dictates believing in things that have never been proven to exist and following a bunch of arbitrary commandments that often contradict each other.

Eating meat is sanctified by Gods command to Adam that the beasts of the field were to be his to use at his disposal and in his command.
God, allegedly, gave you DOMINION over the beats...he didn't say, "Thou shalt barbeque their flesh with Lawry's and KC Masterpiece."
Thou shalt not kill applies to living human beings.
So, I can trust that you oppose the war in Iraq? Or, have you rationalized their lives away as "over there" and "out of sight, out of mind."

This is just another example of atheist logic.
I'll take that as a compliment.

Christ ate any food that was availble in Europe at the time which would be things like lamb, fish, fruits, vegetables, breads, and oil.
Christ was in Europe? Reeeeeally? You should hook up with Dan Brown and write a book.

I value life in all forms...
Quick! Eight celled blastocyst or billion cell chicken...which one do you kill? They're both "life" and, therefore, according to you, valuable.
so I give thanks to God for the life given to us for our nourishment.
Wuss. Nice cop out.

wineymomma said...

I'm speechless-sitting here struggling for words-people like Heather are why it is so difficult for people like me to find our voices.

pmomma-
I think we could be agree on a great deal of subjects! I hope you could reconcile yourself with my irrational beliefs. I am trying to become more informed and hopefully I am waaaayyy less preachy than I used to be!!!

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Wineymomma,
I don't know you, so I wouldn't know if your beliefs are irrational or not. And, in the end, they are YOUR beliefs...so, whether we agree or not is beside the point. I only hop on people like Heather because she's presumptuous, rude, and ill-informed. Contrary to what, I'm sure, is the popular belief: I have theist friends and we get along well. We just don't get into deep discussions of religion. So, welcome, Wineymomma. I can't wait to discover what we have in common. Thanks for reading!

wineymomma said...

Raising children to think for themselves is one of the things that we have in common. My kids have polar opposite eating habits. Lullibell is a carnivore-she prefers anything meat but will not eat anything processed (except chicken nuggets). Bubba is a carb-loader-starts with oatmeal for b'fast and eats fruit and bread type foods all day (about 6 or 8 times a day!)Veggies are his favorite part of any meal.

It makes planning meals very interesting!

As far as what we believe and don't believe I have found that staying away from judging people is the best way to live because how other people make their choices is none of my business and judging never feels very loving! I have found a lot of people in the blogosphere living their lives without judging others and I like it!:)

Steve said...

If it hasn't been suggested yet, maybe, you can hire someone to cook for you, until you're feeling better. Either that, or see if family or friends would be willing to do it periodically.

After my dad died (and even before), relatives would show up with food and household supplies to help us out.

It's just a thought. It might make things a little easier for you.

Berlzebub said...

@ amarullis:
Berlzebub- I am all for the "new covenant" excuse if it kept Christians from killing witches, but does that all mean that all of the rules of the old testament should be thrown out the window? The Christians I know that believe in the new covenant still pick and choose according to the way they were raised and the things they fear most.


That's exactly what I'm saying. In 1John 2:7 (which I cited here), it says that the old one still applies. However, Jesus supposedly saying, that he brought a "new" covenant gives them some rationalization for ignoring the more attrocious rules of the old one. As always, they cherry pick to prove that things mean what they want them to. Which, considering the alternative, I'm not altogether against.

I shudder to think of a world where all religious were literalists.

Perpetual Beginner said...

You said it, Berlzebub.

You pretty much have to cherry-pick the bible, otherwise it contradicts itself so thoroughly as to be nonsensical. Or alternatively (presuming you think it has some theological value), you can believe that the bible is a collection of stories, mythology and history about the relationship between man and God, with all the errors, misinterpretations and self-serving bits that people put into everything they do. With the true bits and the untrue bits (and the truth-revealed-through-fiction bits) all mixed up in shameless higgledy-piggledy fashion.

I may be a theist, but mercifully, I'm not a bibliolatrist. Nor do I think a God who would roast people for eternity for intellectual honesty would be worthy of worship.