I originally wrote a long reply to your post, but found myself being more and
more aggressive in response to your aggressiveness.
What aggressiveness? Are you serious, man? I went back and read my response to you and there's absolutely no aggressiveness in my response. You made some very, very broad assumptions about how wonderful the military was at providing care based on your experience and then you proceeded to "blame the victim", Aaron, for losing hope in the system. The only thing I was "aggressive" about was correcting your wrongful assumptions. You trivialized the experiences of Aaron in some kind of machismo fueled, battle of the better wills. And, for the timing of our loss, that was disgusting.
I thought better of it and threw it out the window.When I read yourAs were many people, but you, Andrew, chosen to take a different path (as described above).
original post and saw a tragic suicide being blamed on the military (albeit
implied blame), I felt compelled to respond.
There were holes in your logic which I tried to politely push my fingers through
in defense of my employer.
Why are you trying to defend your employer. Because, if you really want to get down to brass tacks,...every American on this blog is your employer. We pay your salary. You're supposed to be working for us, not some tyrant in the White House (although, I realize that the Commander in Chief feels you are under his direct and personal employ).
I realize that this was a mistake. I should have just left it alone. But my
reasoning was that this is an Atheist blog, PM talks about reason and logic all
the time, can’t she detach herself from this issue too.?
You may be right on this one, very fine point. I did lose objectivity. But, it's a little hard to keep objectivity when you're mourning a loss. Sorry - I don't "detach" well from people whom I've loved and lost for at least a month or so. I realize that, in your career, detachment is quite necessary.
The blame-game has already been played out in your mind on this one, and there
is no changing that.
Oh, for crying out loud. This isn't a game - blame or otherwise. This has always been a request to look at what's happening to our returned soldiers and ask if we were doing a good job.
I think this guy could have gotten help in one way or another, and it’s a shame
that he didn’t.
Yeah. Like all the vet affairs people we tried to contact for him, and he tried to contact himself, who blew him off. He didn't get help when he looked for it.
Aaron may have been truly unable to help himself, and for implying blame on his
part, I am sorry.
No, you're not. Because, you're still doing it. If you were truly sorry, you wouldn't have made the asinine claim above this one (in spite of the evidence you've been given). Generally, people suffering from severe PTSD and having gone through some of the issues Aaron had gone through are unable to help themselves 100%. That's why they NEED. HELP. Can you be objective enough to admit that your "employer" may have dropped the ball on Aaron....and thousands of other men and women? If you can't, then YOU are the one who is locked into a position, not I.
But that doesn’t make the military the de facto guilty party. Mental illness is
a complicated and inherently unstable issue.
As for your behavior… I am not a troll. I have read and contributed to your blog
comments for a while now (even in Iraq).
Really. So, why was your account just created and made non-public only recently?
So please, don’t treat me like one your creationuts. I was just trying to defend
what I saw as unwarranted, anti-military views in your discussion, and the tone
and rudeness of your response was utterly uncalled for.
Are you kidding me? Unwarranted? Hmmmm. Let's see, shall we? Aaron entered the military and served for many, many years with a great disposition, commitment, and attitude. Then he's sent to Iraq. Where, as his job required, he saw the WORST of the WORST devastation to everyone in his care. The first time he got help in Iraq, he was told that it was "just a little stress and anxiety" and that he should "suck it up." During his second tour, an event happened that completely annihilated hope for more than one man or one woman in his unit. Then, he comes home and is abandoned by his former employer. That treatment, in your estimation, is not worthy of a criticism?
Anti-military? BULL SHIT, SIR! Complete and utter bullshit. And, you know it! How does, "Gee...I really wish the government would get their shit together and protect our troops properly!" anti-military? You throw that term around because it's a buzzword and it allows you to position those who don't agree with this war as unpatriotic. That's crap. You're smarter than that, I hope. Just because someone doesn't agree with the powers-that-be, or criticizes an agency for not doing a better job, doesn't make them anti-military.
Tone and rudeness? Pot. Kettle. Black.
It is not fun being on the opposite side of the ring from you, PM. I can now
honestly tell you that you come across as emotional to this side of the ring and
your arguments are then easily dismissed (subconsciously) on those grounds.
Wow. You're really good at this blame the victim, no accountability for your words thing, are you not? Do they teach self-righteous, smugness in bootcamp or is this an elective pursuit for you? You remind me of someone else I know. Maybe you're related? You haven't been able to dismiss my arguments with ease OR difficulty. You've only made appeals to your own authority and experience and labeled everyone else with a brush of "anti-military". That's not a debate. And, you're damn right there's emotion in this issue. What part of losing men and women to fight a war is unemotional? What part of soldiers killing themselves when they get home is unemotional? What part of people coming back without body parts is unemotional? Frankly, if we're supposed to take emotion out of this equation, then I'm amazed that we'd be able to call ourselves human.
Maybe that is why you have such problems with trolls. They are looking for a
fight, and you give them one… you also play into atheist stereotypes in the
And, here we go again...there's no such thing as an atheist stereotype. But, if being intelligent, thoughtful, unwilling to take the b/s of people who try to use lame rationale and logic, and caring for our troops is an "atheist stereotype", then I'm sure a lot of us would be flattered. And, whoa on the irony... you came to MY blog and made inflammatory statements about someone close to ME, but *I* am the one looking for a fight???? Yeah. Right. You've just broken the irony meter.