Monday, May 07, 2007

Maddy McCann

Madeline McCann is a three year old, British female who was vacationing, with her parents. Mommy and Daddy, both doctors (I might add), left Madeline, and her two-year-old, twin siblings in a vacation apartment ALONE and headed off to a nice, cushy dinner with their friends. Now... because they "weren't very far away", they thought this was ok. Yes. Leaving a three year old with two, two year olds, AT NIGHT, in a FOREIGN COUNTRY, is sooooooo responsible *heavy sarcasm*.

"They discovered her disappearance on returning from a meal at a nearby tapas restaurant, having left their three children in the bedroom of their apartment while they ate.Mr and Mrs McCann, both 38-year-old doctors, found the bedroom's windows forced open and the door ajar – although nothing had been taken from the room."

Now... I realize that this is probably "not the right time" to parent bash... but, WHAT THE FUCK, people!?! What kind of parent does this? What would these parents, PHYSICIANS at that, have done if one of the two year olds had rolled out of bed and knocked themselves unconscious on a bedside table? Was the three year old supposed to dial 911, or whatever the island has to offer in emergency services? What if one of the children had vomited and choked? Heck...what if, as children do, one of the children had woke-up and found mummy and daddy absent and disintegrated into a fit of hysterical panic? Was little Maddy supposed to be "a big girl"? Newsflash: if you have enough money to take exotic vacations and go out for fancy dinners, then you have enough money to utilize the hotels "creche" (babysitting) service! Also, if you're travelling with a group of people and they have teen aged children, you should pony-up the few pounds to have someone sit with your children!

Of course,... the parents are angry because the local law officials aren't moving fast enough. And, who knows...maybe they're not. But... who's to say that little Maddy didn't wander off to find mum and dad? It amazes me that these people have the balls to place blame on anyone other than themselves.

Now...what are these parents doing to aid in finding their daughter?

Gerry and Kate McCann attended church in the Praia da Luz holiday village, where their daughter Madeleine disappeared on Thursday night from the family's villa apartment."

Clutching Maddy’s favourite toy, a pink cuddly kitten, Mrs McCann, 38, stood beside husband Gerry after a church service to pray for Maddy, who will be four on Saturday. Her voice choking with anguish, Mrs McCann said: “Gerry and I would just like to express our sincere gratitude and thanks to everybody, particularly the local community here who have offered so much support."

Yesterday the family, who are devout Catholics, turned to their faith for support to try to help them through their ordeal. They attended the 90-minute service at a 16th century church in the upmarket resort of Praia da Luz.Agonisingly, yesterday was Dia de Mae in Portugal – Mother’s Day."

I'm sorry. I can't let this go. Your daughter, a beautiful, vivacious three year old has been abducted, due to your negligence, and you're spending 90 minutes sitting in mass? I hate to play the "...if this was my child card.", but...IF THIS WERE MY CHILD, you can bet your ass I would've been spending that 90 minutes walking door-to-fucking-door looking for anyone or anything that might lead to information. And, I would probably be so distraught that the idea of going to Church on MOTHER'S DAY (in Portugal), to receive a symbolic gift of roses from an alter girl, would be the furthest idea from my mind.

A 14-year-old altar girl took Madeleine’s place and walked up the aisle to present tearful Mrs McCann with red and pink roses.Before the service, Father Jose Pacheco warned Mrs McCann of the tradition where children give their mothers flowers, fearing it may be too heartbreaking for her.But she insisted that she wanted to be there.

Father Joe probably offered the family a private prayer meeting and blessing, but...oh no... not for this family. She sat. In a church. For 90 minutes. And, was a media darling. *shakes head*

No. No. No. No. Your child has been abducted, because you and your hubby thought "spot checking" every hour, from seven to eleven, was responsible... you officially fail at parenting. If I were "insisting" to be anywhere, it would be one of two places: at the scene of the crime or defiantly and persistently dogging every person within a ten miles radius. This little girl wasn't randomly chosen. Twenty bucks says that this child was stalked because someone noticed that mum and dad were leaving the table to "go check on something" in their apartment. Gee...after the first two hours, do you think it might've been possible that an opportunistic pedophile might have said, "Hmmm...I wonder if there are children, alone, in that room?"

Mark Warner offers a crèche and individual babysitters but the McCanns chose not to use either.

I hate to be the catty bitch... but I wonder how much they spent on dinner?

*http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/6367

*http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6607554,00.html

*http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/international-affairs/international-affairs/abduction-fears-british-child-in-algarve-$1082227.htm

EDITED TO ADD, on 5/8/07

Police in the town wherein Maddy went missing say that the parents' activities of days prior to Maddy's disappearance include MULTIPLE episodes in which Maddy (and her sibs) were left unattended. Nice.

How did it not occur to them that some opportunistic bastard might notate their neglectful behavior and take advantage of it?

EDITED TO ADD, on 5/11/07

MADDY IS FINALLY BEING PUBLICIZED ON CNN.

EDITED TO ADD ON 7/25/07

Comments reinstated because a few comments have just disappeared entirely...strange. And, hopefully the discussion can be reinstated given new information.

152 comments:

elianara said...

The news reports from this has presented it in a little different way in Swedish, so who knows what really is true.

First, the parents left at eight, not seven, and were back at ten. They payed a hotel babysitter, but that girl had left when they checked in at nine. (oh, maybe that should ring a bell, don't leave again!) And there were some reports that they might have been stalked by someone earlier that day too.

And it was told that the hotel area had extra security, so it shouldn't even have been possible for anybody to come in there.

I'm sorry to say, but you find parents that don't really think things trough everywhere.

Tone said...

This story sounds a bit "off" to me. Kinda like what's her bitch name, the one who drowned her kids in her car then said a "black man" car jacked her. HHMMM... maybe I've just gotten to cynical.

Sharon said...

I've been reading this on the BBC News website and the first thing I thought was - what were they thinking leaving their children alone in a hotel room in a foreign country??!! I never let my kids out of my sight, even if we're on a day out in the local area and they're 9 & 12 yrs.

Elinara - the BBC haven't (as far as I've read) mentioned a babysitter or stalking. However, I never think you get the full story from the media anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if something had been missed.

Even if they had hired a babysitter I would have thought they should have stayed with their children after she'd disappeared by 9pm.

What's even more worrying is that these parents are doctors who we're supposed to trust with our health and they don't even seem to know how to properly take care of their children...

Lisbon-Paris-Bucharest said...

Hello from Portugal, and from a fellow atheist, I need to make a few comments, on 2 details:

“or whatever the island has to offer in emergency services?”

Algarve is in continental Portugal, south of the country, not an island

“Now...what are these parents doing to aid in finding their daughter?”

They cant do anything now, they have been asked to stay at home by the authorities, there are more than 20 detectives on the ground, several dozens of policemen and the army and fireman are sweeping the entire Algarve region, inch by inch, in increasing radius from the local of the abduction. Obviously I don’t think the church thing will help, but in my opinion, your take on what they are going thru is a bit unfair.

Maybe I am too close to the events, and seeing their suffering closely is influencing my views, anyway, I hope your shoulder is healing well, keep up the good work.

Ps: excuse any mistakes in my English, it’s my third language
Ps2: I know this is from the article, but there are no tapas restaurants in Portugal, those are Spanish

nullifidian said...

"Yes. Leaving a three year old with two, two year olds, AT NIGHT, in a FOREIGN COUNTRY, is sooooooo responsible *heavy sarcasm*."

This is something that the media over here have, for some reason that I cannot fathom, chosen to completely ignore.

However, the media did decide to spend yesterday covering the parents' visit to a church, and oohed and aahed over them being hugged by the "supportive" local church goers.

Myself, I would have thought it a better use of a Sunday morning to spend their time, and that of these churchies, not on their knees but actually out in the surrounding area looking for the kid.

It's tragic that this kid is paying for the stupidity of the parents.

Pedro Timóteo said...

I'm Portuguese too. I don't usually watch TV or read newspapers, but I've been reading mentions of this in Google News (both the international and the Portuguese versions).

I, too, think that the parents are the ones responsible, and that their "Catholicism" is ridiculous and useless. And any decent parent knows enough not to leave small kids alone.

One small note: though "tapas" are originally a Spanish food / type of restaurant, there is an increasingly large number of those restaurants in Portugal. We used to call them "petiscos" ("delicacies", but in a more down to earth meaning than the English term) before the term "tapas" became fashionable.

Anonymous said...

My activities as a child would have you sending my mother and father to prison, i guess.

From the age 4 on up, I spent much of every day in summer unsupervised, running or riding my bike around the neighborhood, playing with my friends. At most, we told our parents where we were 'going', but most of our play time was in various diversions to or from said locations. Sure, there were usually adults 'near', but not always. And if something bad happened, it would probably be another kid who ran for help. Broken bones were common, children were dropped sometimes, corners weren't rounded, stairs weren't carpeted..

This seems to have been the norm for our neighborhood, but in today's climate I'm sure others, and maybe you, would be calling family services and declaring my parents unfit.

Today it seems like children have no freedom anymore, they don't play outside (hence the greater obesity and diabetes rates), they are so supervised that their parents don't have any free time and rely on things like fast food more often.

My mother had 3 children to deal with, and also cooked every night, kept a meticulously clean house, and still spent much of her afternoons gardening. She was active, and often dragged US around to her own activities, in addition to shuttling us around for ours.

My friend who is now a mother of one is an emotional and physical wreck from lack of sleep and free time, her surroundings are chaos personified. She's so tired, she's making mistakes and feels she is not being a good mother. And she's the norm now.

I can't but feel that we've lost more than we've gained by this unhealthy obsession of trying to control the microscopic risks, at the expense of the greater enjoyments of life.

Carlie said...

Wow. that renders me almost entirely speechless. I was never even comfortable being outside in the yard when my kids were taking a nap at that age. Never mind the things that could happen to the kids, what about to them, too? I remember a story on the news a couple of years ago about a 2-year old who was left alone for 3 days when his dad went just down the block with a couple of friends late at night "just for a minute" and was hit by a car. It took a few days for the hospital to figure out who he was and then track down his next of kin as his ex-wife, and had no clue there was a child involved until her first question was about where the kid was. The toddler was ok, but still. That scared me off from ever leaving the house while they were inside.

It's not the scare of kidnapping that worries me so much as simple accidents. They can always happen. And at age 3, they could have made an escape themselves, and then what? My child at age 3 once made it out of the house in the amount of time it took for his dad to go to the bathroom - the doors were locked, and we had no idea he had figured out how to unlock them. He ran like hell out after him and found him two blocks away, and that was in less than 5 minutes. You just can't leave little ones alone.

Berlzebub said...

I'm agreeing with tone.

Something about this seems fishy. Especially the way she insisted on getting the flowers from the other girl. I could be wrong (I hope I am) and I know the media never gets or publishes the full story. However, when things start seeming 'staged', I get suspicious.

-Berlzebub

Jen said...

"...in today's climate I'm sure others, and maybe you, would be calling family services and declaring my parents unfit."

Hon, I think there's a difference between parents letting their kids aged 4 and up play outside in their own neighborhood, and leaving toddlers alone in a hotel room in a foreign country.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make--I agree that parents seem a little too obsessed with their kids today, but I think we're talking about two different situations.

David W. said...

I agree with tone and berlzebub. Maybe I'm just a product of TV dramas, but something about this is very suspicious to me. I have a sinking feeling there is a darker story here.

"Their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, were being looked after by other relatives."

So she didn't even go to the Mother's Day celebration with her other kids!?

Zipi said...

Lisbon-paris-bucharest, is it possible there is an Spanish tapas restaurant? Algarve is not far from Spain, after all. (I am Spanish, by the way).

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Hello from Portugal,...
Hello!

Algarve is in continental Portugal, south of the country, not an island

Thanks for the correction. I guess I was thinking "island" because, well, one of the news reports says "sea side island resort". But... that'll teach me to trust news reports. :)

They cant do anything now,...
I realize they're not going to go do hard core investigation, but... they're not "home". I just can't imagine that I wouldn't be posting fliers or walking around trying to FIND my child. I certainly wouldn't be farming out the kiddies to relatives and going to a ninety minute, MOTHER'S DAY mass.

Am I being unfair? Very possibly.


Maybe I am too close to the events, and seeing their suffering closely is influencing my views, anyway, I hope your shoulder is healing well, keep up the good work.
No. You're probably right. I'm probably a bit removed. However, I have no sympathy for this mom and dad - FOR NOW! I'm too angry at the fact that their dinner was more important than their children.


Anonymous said...
My activities as a child would have you sending my mother and father to prison, i guess.

From the age 4 on up, I spent much of every day in summer unsupervised, running or riding my bike around the neighborhood, playing with my friends

Primary difference being... YOU WERE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, playing with your friends. If your parents weren't keeping tabs, someone most likely was. There's a huge difference, IN MY OPINION, between sending a four year old out to play, in the front yard, with other kids, and LEAVING YOUR BABIES (and the two year olds ARE babies) with a three year old, in an apartment, AT NIGHT, while you have cocktails and dinner.


Today it seems like children have no freedom anymore, they don't play outside (hence the greater obesity and diabetes rates), they are so supervised that their parents don't have any free time and rely on things like fast food more often.

Not in my neighborhood. Our OLDER kids are outside playing basketball with neighborhood kids, riding bikes, or just screwing around, quite often. However, even at ages 10 and 12, they check in- just pop their head in the door and say "Hey!"- every 30 minutes or so (and, usually, I pop over to the window for a quick survey at casual intervals). The four year old can go out with the older kids, but we check often. The two year old... we go out WITH. Also, our garage and backyard are neighborhood hang-outs. Sorry if that makes me over protective, but my kids aren't fat and they don't have diabetes...AND - shock- we eat healthy, homecooked meals.

I can't but feel that we've lost more than we've gained by this unhealthy obsession of trying to control the microscopic risks, at the expense of the greater enjoyments of life.

Leaving toddlers alone, in an apartment, is not a "microscopic risk".
That said; I no longer allow anonymous comments. So, this is your warning. If you reply, identify yourself.

I agree with tone and the rest... something's fishy.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Oh yeah....as to the stalking thing...
If you, as a parent, feel like you're "being stalked"... WHY would you leave your children alone? ROOM SERVICE, PEOPLE! Pull a couple of chairs outside your "vacation apt." and have the party there.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I do have to say, though, upon reflection, that anonymous does have a point.
I could have been 10,000-ways-of-abducted when I was a kid. My parents were like, "Oh...yeah, sure! Ride your bike through the orchards to the donut shop." Or, "You want to climb that tree and build a fort with scrap lumber and rusty nails? Go for it."

Different times, I guess.

Jeffrey Boser said...

I was anonymous, I'm sorry I didn't mean to be, I filled out my comment, and posted it last second before turning off the computer.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Thanks for leaving your name, Jeffrey. I appreciate it.

Amanda said...

I'm with you guys...this just sounds...fishy to me. I mean...really? Kids that little? Alone? Geeeez. I doubt we'll ever hear the whole story...but I have read/heard that the resort offers *free* childcare services to guests...so, there should have been no reason for the kiddos to be left alone. There are lots of things that somebody isn't telling...because what's being reported just *can't* be it. Ugh.

BTW, about the things being said about the Portuguese police...I have spoken with PORTUGUESE people who think that the way the investigation is being done is strange too. Hmm...getting stranger every minute, eh?

Pasa said...

I'm sorry, I like your blog, but you Americans are a bit weird. It's really not unusual for European parents to leave their kids sleeping, while they go for drinks or a meal.

If you read the news, you will know the parents were checking on the kids every 30 minutes or so.

There is nothing 'fishy' about this. It's just a sad case of kidnap.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I'm sorry, I like your blog, but you Americans are a bit weird.
Why are you apologizing. It's perfectly acceptable for you to "like my blog", but also hold a different opinion. ;)
As for Americans being "a bit weird."... I'm sure we are. :) Most HUMANS are a bit weird.

It's really not unusual for European parents to leave their kids sleeping, while they go for drinks or a meal.

Are you serious? It's "common" for parents to leave their TODDLERS and go have dinner and drinks a block or two away? Is it also common to do that in a foreign country when you also claim that you've been "stalked" or "felt stalked"?

If you read the news, you will know the parents were checking on the kids every 30 minutes or so.

Ahhhhh...but, that's not how the story was first reported. The initial reports were that the parents were gone from seven to eleven, and checked in once an hour. This has now changed to 7-9:30 and they checked every half-hour. I also saw a news source where the father claimed that they checked in every fifteen minutes. Consistency is lacking.
That's not the reader's fault.


There is nothing 'fishy' about this. It's just a sad case of kidnap.
I disagree. Kidnapping, in itself, is fishy business. Now the parents are claiming that THEY believe someone followed them from Britain, to their vacation apartment, for the sole purpose of abducting their child. AND, the police are claiming that they have a suspect, but they won't release a description or a name. Those two things are VERY "fishy". Because, if you suspect someone is stalking you- nay'...has followed you from England to Portugal...and you STILL leave your THREE TODDLERS unattended, then you are officially a bad parent. Especially when there was babysitting services at your disposal.

These people didn't just step out onto the patio, or into the next door neighbor's flat, for a quick snack and a drink. They LEFT these kids totally unattended.

Irim said...

Hi there,

I'm an American living in the UK, and can I just say:

THANK YOU. When I first read the story, I kept looking for people to ask, "WHY did they leave their 3 children under 5 in an apartment alone? When is someone going to say, 'they contributed to this'?"

Ok, in an ideal world, they should have been able to go to dinner.

But it isn't an ideal world.

And yeah, I'm with everyone who says it smacks of the Susan Smith case. From the "We're being stalked" to the reports of all the hysterical phone calls home to the publicity stunt that was the clutching of the stuffed animal and receiving roses at mass, this reeks to their high Catholic heaven.

Thank you for saying so. May I link to your blog entry if I decide to do an entry myself?

Ixx

JS said...

Are you serious? It's "common" for parents to leave their TODDLERS and go have dinner and drinks a block or two away?

Two and three-year-olds? No. Not common. Five-year-olds? Maybe.

AND, the police are claiming that they have a suspect, but they won't release a description or a name. Those two things are VERY "fishy".

Nothing 'fishy' about that. The smart money says that they don't have the first clue where to start and saying that they think they know who dunnit is supposed to be 'reassuring' the general population.

If I had a € for every time the police have claimed they think they know who dunnit without ever moving to arrest anyone, I'd never need to write a grant application in my life.

I might be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

- JS

Anonymous said...

as usual everyone jumps on the band wagon blaming the parents and authorities. lets not forget the important fact. that wee girl is missing and if not already dead totally terrified and god knows what damage has been done to her. if there is a god, please get her home to her mum and family x

Hippernicus said...

I think your reaction is probably quite common and one I had myself. But we can't really trust the reports, because many seem contradictory and the feeding frenzy of the media, certainly in the UK, over this is mindboggling and sickening. There's nothing, it seems, that the media enjoys so much as a good child abduction/killing.

Anonymous said...

Hello!

Can I just say everyone is doing there best to find Maddy and the parents dont need you giving out about them they no what they done was wrong and will NEVER EVER do it again.We all do stuipd things sometimes and we are always Sorry your website isnt what they or any of us need right now SO STOP THIS!

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Irim said...

Dear Anonymous,

1. If you respected Possum Momma as much as you are asking us to respect the McCanns, you would have followed her rules and not been "Anonymous".

2. Blogs are places for personal opinions and respectful discussion *of those opinions*, even if you disagree wholeheartedly. If you cannot accept that, then please don't comment. It's basic netiquette.

3. Be honest here. If the McCanns weren't white, good-looking, respectable, upper middle-class, seen to be devoutly praying in church would *you* be defending them? If Kate McCann had been a single mother, or if they had been working class or black, the media would certainly have launched a vitriolic attack on them for leaving their children alone. We're not being vitriolic; we're being sceptical and equal opportunity. Leaving their children alone was plain wrong - whatever their class or colour.

4. We know everything is being done to find Maddy, and I hope to God this sighting of her in Nelas is real and they find her alive and unscathed, and that she comes home safe and sound. We're ALL hoping as hard as we can for that. We're ANGRY b/c it was avoidable.

5. "Gay bitch"? Not a productive contribution to the conversation, and it certainly isn't going to bother those of us who are heterosexual, and I certainly *hope* it will be water off a duck's back - or even a badge of pride - for those who are homosexual.

And you say I'm a "bitch" like it's a bad thing.

Ixx

Lisbon-Paris-Bucharest said...

Anonymous, 9:27 AM and 9:28 AM, I have no idea if this is the same person, but you may want too cool down.

“STOP THIS!” Stop what? It’s not like Atheist in a mini van as an organized campaign going. She expressed an opinion in her own blog, one that have been made in several outlets of mainstream non-tabloid media, and could very well make people be a bit more careful in the future, and learn with the mistakes of this unfortunate family, without sending everybody in a mass hysteria.
Everybody makes hideous mistakes; fortunately many of them don’t have this kind of horrible consequences. Some may not do them with regard to their kids, but we surely make mistakes. The kind of mistakes that this and other families would never do, and would probably consider appalling

As for the insult buy anonymous at 9:28, I don’t know about the second, but gay is certainly not an insult were I come from, then again, I have normal level headed, intelligent people as friends. You may want to consider that this kind of insults in a forum, or any other place, reflects only on the people that make them, and not on the people they are directed to.

marion from ireland said...

hi there

i agree that the parents made a BIG mistake, and that this should be acknowledged in the media, but you know the phrase " it goes without saying.." applies here BIg time, we all know this was wrong, we all know toddlers should not be left alone, it is in fact illegal in UK and probably Portugal, but these parents have paid the wrst possible price for this, to have your child abducted is worth than death and any parent knows this, the punishmment here does not fit the crime, it's like hanging someone for stealing a sheep...so maybe that's why the media is not criticising these parents ????

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Wow! Lots of new readers from different countries. Welcome!

I made this blog post two days ago. At that point, if you can believe it, there was NO media coversage of this event here in America. NONE! I found it watching BBC news (by cable feed). And, if you can believe it, there's STILL been little, if anything, on the major, American news outlets. So...I posted for two reasons:
1. The fact that this mom went to Church for 90 MINUTES OF MASS, and went through the whole MOTHER'S DAY presentation, just left me speechless. Truly.
2. The fact that anyone would leave THREE TODDLERS alone in a room and GO TO DINNER was so foreign to me that I *had* to vent. That may be okay in Europe...but, it's NOT acceptable here. As another poster said, if you did that here, you'd qualify for the charge of child neglect.
3. As another poster said, IF this little girl was of parents who WERE NOT white, Catholic, physicians, you can bet money on the fact that her parents would be facing charges for leaving them.

Yes. They are suffering the ultimate price and I actually got really teary just thinking about one of my kids going missing. I also know that, although I'm not perfect as a parent, I just can't fathom leaving my babies like that. I can honestly say that I never have. Why? Not because I fear them being abducted, but because, when they're that small, accidents happen in an instant!! DOCTORS should know that. Like I said, what was Maddy supposed to do if one of her sibs had fell and hit his/her head? What if one of her sibs had awoke and found mom and dad gone and have begun crying hysterically? What if one of them had vomitted or choked? Was Maddy supposed to do what most teenagers have a problem doing (assessing the situation, doing what the could, and then summoning help)?

It was preventable and that makes me angry! A simple thing like putting one parent's cell phone on the bedside table, while leaving the connection open to the other parent's phone (operating as a long range baby monitor) - I did this when our monitor went on the fritz and I *had* to go outside to do some yard work (when P#3 was a very small infant) and I was alone at home. What angers me is that these parents didn't "have an accident", but that they put their own "needs/desires" in front of common sense.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Sorry your website isnt what they or any of us need right now SO STOP THIS!

TO THE CONTRARY... what they need IS exposure. And, like I said above, the American news has NOT exposed this. There's not been one picture of Maddy on any of our news outlets. At the very least, even if I'm angry, I'm LINKING TO NEWSTORIES WITH HER STORY AND PICTURE! As you see, I have a wide readership and any parent of a missing child will tell you that getting the story and picture out is what you DO WANT! It does help.

You also have to understand that statistics show that child abductions are MOST COMMONLY committed by someone who knows the child. It's APPROPRIATE to be skeptical.

paula said...

I agree with most of the comments made and yes they should never have left the children alone but that doesnt give some sick bastard the right to break into their apartment and take this beautiful innocent child

Atheist in a mini van. said...

... but that doesnt give some sick bastard the right to break into their apartment and take this beautiful innocent child

Of course it doesn't give someone "the right", but it does give them the opportunity. And, as a parent, it's your job to mitigate, to the BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, that opportunity (for your child to be victimized).

We now read, in the UK Reuters article, that these parents ROUTINELY left their children in the hotel room while vacationing. It was common practice for them. This wasn't an isolated incident of, "Well...we'll just step out for a moment, the chidlren will be okay."
Their "common practice" may have opened the door for someone to take note of their neglect and capitalize on it.

And, I still have this question: WHY WOULD THEY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AVAILABLE CHILD CARE? Why would they, if they were on a "family vacation" order-in or have their dinner party IN their apartment?

I feel for little Maddy. I also feel for the twins. Let's turn this around though...what if one of the twins had been taken? Can you imagine the guilt that Maddy would carry? Can you imagine the fear that Maddy had when a strange person entered her room and TOOK HER? Parents are supposed to protect their children...Maddy's parents, no matter how heartbroken they might be, ROUTINELY FAILED to adequately protect her. THEY placed her, and her siblings, REPEATEDLY in harm's way. Their luck finally ran out. :( And, Maddy has paid the ultimate price.

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Maggie Rosethorn said...

Wow, Pmomma. What a hornet's nest you hit! As a mother, like many of the posters, I would have never have left my small children alone, even in my house in a safe neighborhood. Too many things can happen too quickly.

But I think your critics are missing an important point...while we are criticizing the parents for their poor judgement, we STILL feel for them in their fear and distress, and sincerely hope that Maddy is found safe and sound while harboring the fear that she won't be.

Your comments weren't meant to hurt, in my view, only to point out that your reaction (and mine, to be perfectly honest) would have been to do completely different things than these parents chose to do afterwards. If one of my children had disappeared, it would have been a cold day in hell before I left my other child(ren), even with family, and church wouldn't have found me there (even when I did have faith), I too would have been ringing doorbells and calling every newspaper, media person, whatever in town to help find my child.

But, like you and like all the other posters, I hope they find Maddy. Since there is so little in the media about her (CNN has a bit but I hate CNN), please keep updating as you hear things.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

How dare you blame the parents! How dare you!

No one has "blamed the parents". We have questioned their common sense. NO ONE has said, "They are getting what they deserved." We're saying, WHO DOES THIS?

The only person to blame here is the sick person who stole a little girl from her family. The likelihood is that if he targeted her then he would have got hold of her somehow anyway, sometime over the holiday. No one can watch their children all the time. It's impossible.
NO!! The parents, no matter how un-politically correct or harsh it might seem, DO share some of the responsibility. And, I'm sorry- this is not a teenager who was "targeted". This was a THREE YEAR OLD. Of course, it's impossible to watch children ALL OF THE TIME, but... there's reasonable and not reasonable. Leaving a three year old and two year old twins in a hotel room, while you go eat and drink, is NEVER ACCEPTABLE. NEVER. Had Maddy been 13, this discussion wouldn't be happening.

These are parents who, exhausted with three very young children,
If they were truly exhausted, they shouldn't have been out at all.


lefy them sleeping safely in a what is essentially a resort: holiday-makers around, a friendly atmosphere; it wouldn't have even been dark. Obviously now the parents realise they were unwise to leave their children but at the time, the risk will have seemed nil.

BULLSHIT! Complacency, while easy to fall into, does not exclude neglect. And, how can you say it wasn't dark... IT WAS NIGHT TIME, was it not? OBVIOUSLY, it was dark enough to make off with a child. The risk is NEVER NIL when you're a parent. NEVER. I have a twelve year old who walks a block to and from her bus stop and, despite her age, if I hear the bus go by and she doesn't appear in three minutes or less, I'm out on our porch looking for her. THERE IS ALWAYS A RISK. Choosing to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist because you're on holiday is ridiculous!!


...it's not the parents' job to search for the child.
You're right! But, it IS EVERY PARENT'S job to do everything in their power to keep their child from being abducted.

As for what parents should/could do...why don't you talk to the Smart family or the family of the boys who went missing here in Missouri? They were beating the pavement and posting pics. They were actively engaged in the pursuit of FINDING THEIR CHILD.


Of course, no one deserves this. And, I hope the bastard who stole Maddy is caught and beaten within an inch of his life. I hope he/she (the abductor) is punished to the fullest extent of the law, and then flogged. No one is saying her parents DESERVED to have their child abducted.


And I doubt very much that do-gooders like the people on this blog would help their anguish right now.
Quite honestly... I don't really care about her parent's anguish right now. Her parents made their choices, they are adults. I don't wish them harm. I just think they were incredibly irresponsible. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS THAT MADDY IS FOUND. SHE is the one that I care about. The innocent who needed protection and, instead, was left to fend for herself.


I have four kids. We used to travel extensively. Sorry...if I was "exhausted" and the hubby and I needed a moment's peace...we shut the door to the adjoining room(s) and ordered in room service. We have even been on trips where we had friends meet-us at the hotel and we chatted in our rooms, with the kids sleeping just next door.


No strangers around. You'd just say "what could happen HERE?!"

WTF?! Are you serious? They're in a foreign country and there are no strangers around?
Sheeez, lady! I have strangers in my NEIGHBORHOOD... my street. Be realistic.

It's not a complex. It's complacency.

Jennifer said...

These posts are growing legs every few minutes. I have been watching Britain's Sky News most of the last few days and they are interviewing people involved, broadcasting the police conferences and giving out as much information as even the parents have, apparently. The story hasn't changed at all from day one. The parents were holidaying with several couples. Last Thursday night they went for dinner at around 8 and both parents took turns to check the sleeping children every half hour. Gerry, the father checked them at 9.15 and Kate, the mother went back 30 minutes later to find the window open and Madeleine gone. The parents haven't claimed that someone followed them from Britain. The Portuguese police said one suspect was described as having an 'English appearance' whatever that is and one abductor profiler said the kidnapper could be a British paedophile living in Portugal. They have since brought in two experts from the UK who have access to a list of all registered British sex offenders in the UK and abroad. The police have also said that it could be child traffickers that may have been watching the resort all week and could have seen Madeleine playing as the exterior walls of the complex are very low (2 feet or something) and the guests are in plain view of the main road. The parents have not said anything to the press except for a plea made by Madeleine's mother yesterday on Sky News asking the abductor to 'please don't hurt her or scare her' and 'please give her back or put her in a place of safety and let someone know where she is'. They went to mass twice in the last few days as there is really nothing more they can do. As a Catholic myself I would absolutely turn to God in a time of crisis. They are not being informed by the police as Portuguese law prevents this and I would imagine that they want to be around if and when any news comes in. From the reports there seems to be nothing fishy about the case. It's just a very sad kidnapping situation. They were eating dinner only 100 metres away and of course in holiday-mode assumed the children were safely tucked up in bed and that they could duck out for a bite close by. My mother sometimes used to let me sleeping in my cot during the day and walk to her sister's nearby for a cup of tea!

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Facing the facts, she's probably dead. She'll never be recovered alive (though I'm still hoping against hope that she will be) and the likelihood is that they'll never even find her body. We can only hope that she didn't suffer before the end.

This is the sad reality and I agree...I hope she didn't suffer. But, most likely, she has suffered from the moment a person entered her room and walked right out the door with her. :(

And can everyone stop blaming the parents. It's just like everyone blaming the emergency services for 9/11 or the police for Maddy not having been recovered. The only person REALLY in the wrong here is the bastard that took her away

No one is blaming the parents for her abduction. We are calling them on their conduct. Those are very different things.
The abductor could not have walked into her room and walked away with her if her mom and dad were in the apartment with her. In fact, the abductor probably wouldn't have had the balls to do such a thing. IF her parents, or a sitter, had been there and she had STILL been abducted, this would be a very different situation and no one would question their behavior.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

But I think your critics are missing an important point...while we are criticizing the parents for their poor judgement, we STILL feel for them in their fear and distress, and sincerely hope that Maddy is found safe and sound while harboring the fear that she won't be.
EXACTLY, MAGGIE!! EXACTLY.

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Atheist in a mini van. said...

Jennifer, thanks for the update.

Jennifer said...

No problem. I will keep watching and come back if there are any developments. There was also a false alarm sighting of a child matching Madeleine's description but unfortunately she turned out to be someone else. A man in the area did witness a couple at the train station at 6am either yesterday morning or Sunday morning with a child who seemed reluctant to go with them but there has been no more on that. The police made a statement at 6pm UK time today saying they are investigating 350 possible leads, have interviewed over 100 people and have searched over 500 apartments and houses. Sniffer dogs followed Madeleine's scent for 250-400 feet but then lost it and they have either searched or closed off all the ports. They have also searched fields and rivers possibly for a body. They said that they have no idea at this time whether Madeleine is dead or alive. She was also wearing white pyjama bottoms and a pink t-shirt with Eyore from Winnie the Pooh. And I think that's everything I've heard over the past few days!

Lisbon-Paris-Bucharest said...

I think we are witnessing here the symptoms of cultural differences (and is not just a concept, they are quiet real and contribute to very different displays of behaviour and assumptions). I just saw a BBC journalist saying that this behaviour is accepted and somewhat regular with UK citizens, especially in Portugal. Now that I think of it, my extended French family, when they are on vacation in Portugal, do it quite a bit. The fact is the criminality in Portugal is very low, when compared to the main EU countries, and its easy to just relax, and have the feeling that everything is safe and much different than “back home”.

Ps: Just for the record, its 9 PM, I am looking at the window, and its now dusk. At 7 or 8 its bright day light.

Jennifer said...

Lisbon-Paris-Bucharest, I have to say I completely agree with you. Now that something awful has happened it is easy to say they are negligent parents but that fact is that on holiday everything seems wonderful and abduction is furthest from your mind. There is a sense of 'community' in these holiday resorts and this area is supposedly very safe. If the kids fell asleep you'd be very tempted to not disturb them and get some dinner close by. You'd assume they'd be perfectly okay tucked up asleep in their beds for 30 minutes. Many people would then decide not to but I really can see how you'd say 'we won't be gone long and we'll keep checking them'. It's done here a lot. I'm in Ireland and as a child used to go on holidays in our family caravan and us kids were often left alone for an hour or so.

Jennifer said...

For updates:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

Anonymous said...

The parents are negligent for leaving their children unattended. Besides potential kidnappings, the children could have waken, gotten out of bed, and injured themselves. The parents preferred to leave them unattended, than to provide constant supervision. They will now have to live with that choice.

Perhaps the child was injured by the parents and this is a ruse to get out of confessing what has really happened.

Maybe Maddy was kidnapped but, and as in those rare instances, will be recovered one day.

Whatever the real situation, children deserve better and those of us capable of helping to provide that care should try to do so. Volunteering time, money, etc. to any number of worthy causes is one way. Simply being good and thoughtful parents and teachers is another.

Best regards

marion from ireland said...

maybe these are good people, non cynics, who don't expect bad things to happen, child abduction from european holiday resorts is very rare, obviously if they thought this might have happened they would ahve stayed with their children they are amongst the unluckiest parents in the world right now, sadly they are not alone, many children are abducted, sold, and even abused within their own homes every day, little Maddie just highlights the horror of this as her story has attracted so much media attention. it's not very thoughtful or helpful to criticise a woman for praying for her lost child, this situation is so hopeless and unpredicatable and that child could be anywhere, if the parents take comfort from praying to God, then they must do that, the only thing they know right now, in their christianity is that this little girl is with God alive or dead.

I feel so very sorry for them, to have their loss compounded by guilt. Dear knows how they will endure life if their little girl is not returned to them.

I have prayed for her safe return every night, there is nothing else I can do.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I think we are witnessing here the symptoms of cultural differences (and is not just a concept, they are quiet real and contribute to very different displays of behaviour and assumptions). I just saw a BBC journalist saying that this behaviour is accepted and somewhat regular with UK citizens, especially in Portugal. Now that I think of it, my extended French family, when they are on vacation in Portugal, do it quite a bit. The fact is the criminality in Portugal is very low, when compared to the main EU countries, and its easy to just relax, and have the feeling that everything is safe and much different than “back home”.

I think you make a very good point.
There are HUGE cultural differences in parenting between Europe and the United States. What is acceptable in one country may be completely taboo in another...this is a good example.
In America, if you left your toddlers in a resort room, you'd be guilty of child neglect. Maybe it's because we have a higher rate of violent crime (not proud of it...wish it were different). Maybe it's because our homes tend to be more spread out and, therefore, you can't just pop next door for a cup of tea and be feet from your own home... "acceptable" has a different interpretation.

I say this with ALL HONESTY AND SICNERITY, it would NEVER, EVER occur to me to leave my toddlers, unattended in ANY room on any sort of vacation. Period. Heck. We used to go camping quite a bit and I would bristle at the idea of leaving a sleeping five year old in the tent while I went to use the pit toilet (30 feet a way, in daylight...100 miles from civilization). In fact, that occasion, in particular, happened once and I ended up asking a neighboring camper to keep an eye on the tent while I went...and even then I think I urinated in record time before scurrying back to peep in the tent and make sure my child was still there). The cultural divide makes it not just a "different style" or "approach" to parenting, but UNFATHOMABLE.

Like I've said before, multiple times, it's NOT that I blame her parents for the kidnapping. I don't. I *am* shocked that they could be so casual about the potential for danger in leaving little ones untended in that nature.

I'm not a hovering parent. I let my kids play. The older ones (10 and 12) are not always in my sight. BUT, I'm also the sort who, every three months (when I change smoke detector batteries) makes a new "just in case" recording of their: height, weight, eye color, hair color, allergies, medical conditions, scars, identifying marks, and place a current picture in the envelope, so that *IF*, just IF, something were to happen, I could hand the authorities an up-to-date flyer for immediate distribution. I am not paranoid. I'm just very prepared. When we go to Disneyland, I use a Sharpee to write my child's name on one foot...and my name and cell phone number on the other foot. It's actually a bit funny because my two year old, if we're at a hotel after a trip, will walk up and hand me the Sharpee and won't put his socks ON until I write on him. Does he know why I do that? OF COURSE NOT. But, my four year old KNOWS that: If you get lost, then you take your shoes off and show someone your feet.

Ok. Now you all probably think I'm a complete nut. What I'm getting at is; despite all of my "preparation", I still feel like danger COULD lurk around every corner. So, I can't imagine just walking out of an apt. and leaving my babies alone.

If I'm completely off-base and neurotic, then tell me. If I'm just not undestanding the cultural reasons why this behavior was acceptable, then please explain it to me.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

little Maddie just highlights the horror of this as her story has attracted so much media attention.
What media attention?
There's been very little here in the States. Want to know how I found out? I have Interpol's feed on missing children on google alert. I have talked to a large number of friends, here in America, about this and NONE of them knew about Madeline. I thought *THAT* was a shame.

I have prayed for her safe return every night, there is nothing else I can do.

And this is where I fundamentally differ with you.
I don't know where some of you are being linked from, but I'm an atheist/secular humanist. I think there's a great deal more one can do for this little girl, besides prayer. We can spread her picture. We can spread her story. We can, even in our anger, hope for her safe return and help in any way asked. Prayer, for me, is wasted effort. I have, however, contacted EVERY E-MAIL CONTACT I HAVE in Europe and sent along links and the picture of Madeline. It probably won't result in anyting, but... it's certainly better than me, sitting here in my home, praying.

There are tons of people praying for her... how many of you have also taken the time to forward her picture and her story to EVERYONE you know? How many of you will take steps to, now that you know what's possible (a child's abduction), educate parents you know who do the same thing?

Lisbon-Paris-Bucharest said...

:) The image of a little kid, with a marker on is hand, probably putting his foot up, waiting for you to write, as really made laugh, in a good way, the image of the cartoon Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) just popped into my head . A very cute image :)

I can’t honestly say, I ever met a parent that would take this kind of precautions, but if it works for you guys, I am all for it. That just goes to show how our secular humanist approach to life allows us to rejoice to the diversity of human behaviour ;)

I can’t claim to be an expert in the American culture, but I would try to guess that your media tends to expose you more too gory stories like this (if the actual events are more frequent or not, I could not tell you). Just for a little context, my training is in clinical psychology, I am a Portuguese citizen (prefer the term EU citizen), born in France, soon to marry my Romanian girlfriend. So I know quite a few different cultures in Europe, specially in eastern Europe now, and I have to say, although obviously we see big differences in parenting from individual to individual, the people I know tend to trust that the world is an ok place, and normally display behaviour, that could be seen as a risk, but they clearly don’t see it that way. I am speaking of leaving a young child alone for 30 minutes or an hour, when u are 2 doors down, etc. the risk of falling, being scared, etc. exists, but I guess, the Europeans I know (some of them) rely on the experience of their own childhood, to deduce that everything will be ok. (As I think some of the comments on this post exemplify).
I guess in the next few months people in Portugal will change their behaviour, but as their daily lives show them, that nothing out of the ordinary has happened, they will go back to the old practices.
This might be an old completely inappropriate stereotype, but I think I see this behaviour more frequently in countries in northern Europe (trusting that nothing bad will happen in those 30 minutes/1hour)
It’s really all I can say to try to demonstrate, that there is not an absolute social condemnation to the behaviour described in this event or that it’s even an exception to the rule, in the behaviour of the people I see around me.

Hope it helped to clarify my point anyway. And congratulations for the excellent blog, I am a frequent reader.

Jennifer said...

Atheist, you sound like a very intelligent person and a very good parent. However I think your points about praying are more about your personal feelings towards religion than whether or not it might be of benefit to Madeleine or her family. Whatever your religious beliefs are the fact is that people who have strong faith don't think 'I'll pray just incase there is a God and he might help me'. They pray because they believe that it's necessary. To believing Catholics (or indeed Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Protestants, etc.), God or whoever they believe in will take care of Madeleine and she needs many prayers. They are AS important to believers like Madeleine's parents as physically looking for her. That's not speculation, it's fact. It might seem silly to you and in a world of science maybe it is but that's the nature of religion. You believe or you don't. And those that do feel in their hearts the importance of it. It doesn't mean that it should replace other actions but it is extremely important for some people. I am straying from the point here which is keeping people informed of Madeleine's story but I think it's a bit uncalled for to use the point of her parents going to mass as an example of their negligence. I am actually not very religious incidentally.

Lynn's daughter said...

I hate to say this, and I hope I'm wrong, but the probability is greatest that her own parents did something to her. It's happened before.

Tone said...

I'm sorry, but I will blame the parents. When I said I thought it sounded fishy, I meant, I don't think this child was abducted, I think this child is dead, at the hands of one or both of the parents.

Feel free to chastise me if you wish. But there are too many oddities about this story, and I have probably watched court tv too much.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

:) The image of a little kid, with a marker on is hand, probably putting his foot up, waiting for you to write, as really made laugh, in a good way, the image of the cartoon Calvin (from Calvin and Hobbes) just popped into my head . A very cute image :)

I can’t honestly say, I ever met a parent that would take this kind of precautions, but if it works for you guys, I am all for it. That just goes to show how our secular humanist approach to life allows us to rejoice to the diversity of human behaviour ;)

Hahaha!! The Sharpee-foot thing is a habit I developed when doing Search and Rescue stuff. It occured to me that labeling a child prominantly (like a name on their shirt) might actually lead to someone using their name, in conversation, and forming an untoward relationship, which could lead to the child placing more trust in a stranger ("Hi, Susie!! Your mom said she wanted me to take you over here...."). But, putting their name, and my name/number, on a non-descript part of their body would allow someone in a rescue capacity, or a pre-verbal child, to communicate. And, from a morbid Search/Rescue/Recovery point-of-view, if there's ever a major accident or a kid wanders off and you want immediate, positive ID...there ya' go.

I've seen some pretty horrible things, and heard some things I never want to see, regarding negligent parents. I've also seen some horrible thing happen to parents who just stop using their brains because they're "on vacation". Ask anyone who's ever worked at an amusement park: People check their brains at the door. They think nothing bad can happen. What are the odds, right? THIS kind of story reinforces just how much we need to take reasonable precautions even when we THINK we're "on vacation". When you have kids, there is no such thing as vacation. ;) I don't get to stop parenting at 7:30 just because my child falls asleep.

As for the prayer thing... this really probably isn't the time to have this discussion. But, I have to ask: if Maddy is found dead...does that mean God didn't listen or that you didn't pray hard enough? If she's found alive-and-well, her discovery will be credited to prayer... what gets the blame if she's not found? Do you blame God, then, for not allowing her to be found?

Prayer works for many people because they feel good after having done it. It's an emotional band-aid. If you can't prove that there's any measurable benefit to prayer (like...finding Maddy or all of the other kids who go missing), then it's shouldn't given undo time and energy that might be channeled into other actions. Like, oh... joining a search party or circulating fliers, or making meals for her family, or setting up a fund in her memory, or educating parents, or...*insert activity here*. Prayer makes people feel involved. I get that. I just don't think it's enough to feel involved...you should actually BE involved. If you care enough to pray about it, you should care enough to DO SOMETHING about it.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Dang it.... I hit post before I could post this:
... I have to quote one of my favorite, fictional characters (that just happens to be played by an Englishman); "Be a doer...not a me-too'er."

Here's an idea: If you know your neighbors routinely leave their children alone, in light of this tragedy, offer to sit with their child while they take a break or go to dinner.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Dang it.... I hit post before I could post this:
... I have to quote one of my favorite, fictional characters (that just happens to be played by an Englishman); "Be a doer...not a me-too'er."

Here's an idea: If you know your neighbors routinely leave their children alone, in light of this tragedy, offer to sit with their child while they take a break or go to dinner.

aimee said...

I don't remember where, but on Oprah one season, they were talking to moms around the world and it was very normal to leave their BABIES in the stroller outside while they went in and had their coffee or whatever. That shocked me, this story shocks me even more. If the parents ponied up and said that this was often their routine to leave their kids, then those twins should also be taken from them (not by the bad guys) but by social services or the equivilant.

I hope this little girl is found safe and sound.

And with certainty like Pmomma has said, I would not leave my kids alone. I once went to three different gas stations trying to find one where I could pay for a carwash at the entry of it instead of having to go inside because my daughter was sleeping. I ended up going home because I couldn't find one that was working. Sure I could have locked the doors, kept an eye on my van while I was inside and be right back out there, but I didn't feel she was safe doing that.

My husband and I are soon going to Vegas, my kids are going to their grandparents house, this way, I know they are safe, will be taken care of, and we don't have to take turns going to the casino. Last time we took them, we used the babysitting service at the MGM Grand, I could never fathom leaving them alone. I don't care if it is resort like, or large city, small town, etc., it wouldn't happen.

I agree (don't remember who said it), but if the parent's were sooooo tired from having their 3 little kids with them, they shouldn't have been out having dinner. They could have had room service with a nice quiet dinner on the balcony with their kids right behind them. I don't get this mind set.

And if one of my kids had just been taken, and I did go to church(assuming I was into that), I wouldn't be more than a foot away from my other kids. Instinct would make you want to clutch the other kids so tight. I wouldn't care if family was keeping them, I wouldn't want them out of my sight.

p.s. If it wasn't for you Pmomma posting this, I would never have known about it. I still have not seen any news on it.

aimee said...

"EDITED TO ADD, on 5/8/07

Police in the town wherein Maddy went missing say that the parents' activities of days prior to Maddy's disappearance include MULTIPLE episodes in which Maddy (and her sibs) were left unattended".

This makes their statement of wanting a quiet dinner away from taking care of their 3 little kids a bunch of crap. Sounds like their kids were a bother to them and left them alone several times to do their own thing. If family could be with the twins now, why in the hell did they take them on vacation with them in the first place?

Carlie said...

I also can't fathom leaving children that little alone at all, no matter if it's night, no matter if there is no danger of kidnapping, no matter if the room is entirely child-proofed and locked tight. The most likely scenario is that one of them wakes up and wants mommy, and then how scared would they be when they can't find mommy or daddy? How long is a half hour to a two year old? I would never put my children through that, not at that age when they can't understand that mom and dad are just away for a few minutes. That is BAD PARENTING, no matter how you parse it.

spook said...

Dear All. Anonymous said......Perhaps the child was injured by the parents and this is a ruse to get out of confessing what has really happened.

I think he/she may have a point here. it beggars belief that a seemingly educated couple would leave infants alone at night. As a mother of 4 i am only too aware of the need for occassional space and solace. I have admittedly at brief interludes left my eldest (10) to care for the others (8, 5 & 1) in order to pop to the local shop or go to a neighbours house, but NEVER alone at night. Therefore it is my sickening belief that there is a darker side to this story. It is not the first time that the guilty ones have made an emotional plea for their childs safe return only to discover later that they had something to do with their dissappearance in the first place. Please come home safely Maddy!!! If they are innocent I apologise profusely for my suspicion, but the story just doesn't add up for me!
From Spook in Australia

Queen Pickle said...

If you had a briefcase that contained two million dollars,in cash, would you leave it in your hotel room while on vacation? Would you leave it unsupervised AT ALL? Or would you lock it in the hotel safe, or a bank, or at least hire someone to look after it? After all, a briefcase full of cash can't hurt itself by falling over, accidentally start a fire, get scared and go looking for help, etc. The worst thing that will happen is that someone will steal it...which is exactly what someone with that much cash would be afraid of, right? And yet, the most precious thing any parent has..their CHILD...can be left alone??!! Because the parents are TIRED??!!!!

I just don't get it.

I also don't get the mom showing up to a Mother's Day service. If it were me, I'd probably have to be sedated. I'm curious...was the mom dressed nice and wearing makeup at church?

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Queen Pickle...let me just say: AMEN!

marion from ireland said...

We went to Portugal last October, and our daughters slept in the room beside us, which had shutters etc, now i feel like we should have al slept in the same room, which we did in Paris at Easter. I never let my children out of my sight on holiday. I am quite aware of the dangers, but maybe these parents aren't the worrying type, i don't know, i guess i shouldnt make excuses for them, their little child was abducted at a time when they weren,to there to protect her, had they been having evening tea in the partment little maddie would be with them now, this is a fact, children are rarely abducted directly from the parents , save at gunpoint or somethig ( and i'd rather just be shot !!!) . The whole story is a bit bizarre, but it must be easy to check out as aparently the coule were at the restaurant with friends , so how could they be there and at home harming and hiding Maddie ? Some opportunist has seized the moment when this little girl was left alone, and stolen her. Lesson to all parents is never ever leave yor children alone, at home or abroad. We in Ireland are afraid of supermarkets since little Jamie Bulger was abducted and killed in one in the late 90's, now we have to be to afraid to leave our children alone, especially at night in a foreign country. I woudl never have done it and no one should.

Parenting is so scarey, truth told, no matter how any precautions you take, harm can come to your child. Still, you gotta do all you can.

Kieran Mac said...

I have read your posts with interest and in particular the various views from around the world. I would like to add my tuppence worth.

1. I too am a parent, a father of a two year old blond girl, not disimilar to Maddy. I "lost" my child for 4 minutes in a department store 6 months ago. She was standing right next to me whilst I was looking for a magazine for her and I became distracted. I looked down within 30 seconds and there was no sign of her. By minute 3 I was distraught. By minute four I was unable to focus, concentrate and act like a sentient being. Thank God, she reappeared unharmed, having wandered off. If I were Maddy's parents, by day 6 (and through out the period) I dont think I would be able to act objectively and constructively to help the police by knocking on doors. I do not know if they can speak Portugese, but assuming they cannot, then given the language barrier, the fact they are distraught and not thinking clearly, and that they will assume every man (and I am assuming it was a man who abducted her) is a potential suspect, would all contribute to the police asking them to stay at home rather than getting involved.

2. The parents were negligent. However, let he or she who is without sin, cast the first stone. What parent hasnt had an experience similar to mine outlined above. Was I negligent? I am from Ireland and never having heard of a child abduction case I suppose, until that incident, I was complacent. I was certainly less careful than my wife. I no longer am. Unfortunately, human nature leads one to become complacent when there is no obvious risk of danger. Whilst these parents were irresponsible, I do not think anyone can judge them as the vast majority of us, if we are honest, have to some degree been negligent at some stage, though to a lesser extent, regarding their children. All of the parents who acted similarly to the McCanns (in leaving their children alone whilst going for a meal) will presumably reassess their actions due to what they know now, and likewise, if the McCanns had not been the unfortunates to have been caught, I am sure they too would have reassessed their actions if the kidnapping had occurred to someone else. I cannot understand why the McCanns did what they did, but their punishment far outweighs the crime, and sometimes, as difficult as it may be for most of us to understand, it simply does not occur to people that their actions can lead to unforeseen circumstances, and it takes a tragedy for the dangers to become apparent. Hence, people drown, get knocked down, have their possessions stolen, get injured. In hindsight most of them, if asked, would say, what on earth was I thinking. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Look at the darwin awards website to see examples of the human races' spectacluar stupidity. Some people, though educated, do not, to use a local vernacular have any "cop" (or are not streetwise or have common sense). Education and common sense are two entirely different attributes.

3. In all of the posts only one or two people have mentioned Maddy. My thoughts, and prayers are with her more than her parents. Whilst her parents are suffering unimaginable anguish, she is also feeling this, allied to possible unspeakable torture, pain, and physical agony. Furthermore, she must be bewildered as to why her parents have foresaken her. It is difficult to undestand why a God (or greater being) could permit such an action to occur. However, (and I am a practising Roman Catholic though really only turn to God when I need him/her) somehow this fits into the greater plan. Out of this evil act, an awful lot of good is and will come. To use an analogy, look at how much good came from 9/11. One overall act of evil, resulted ina city, a country and a world uniting, albeit for a relatively short time. One day, possibly the human race will be able to display the empathy, consideration and love which was obvious for a couple of weeks after 9/11. The fact that that incident had to occur to unite the world, at least showed us all that it is possible, and that its something we should aspire to, then truly we would have a utopia and see the face of God.

To Maddy, her family and to all of the missing, abused, hungry and suffering children of the world, I offer up my actions and prayers today.

Hippernicus said...

What media attention?
There's been very little here in the States. Want to know how I found out? I have Interpol's feed on missing children on google alert. I have talked to a large number of friends, here in America, about this and NONE of them knew about Madeline. I thought *THAT* was a shame.


It may not be a huge story in the US, but it is massive in the UK & Europe. I don't see why it should be taken up in a big way in the US, since it's pretty unlikely she would be taken there and what can anyone do?

I don't see the point of the whipping up of hysteria about this case worldwide, we've already got enough fear & an ugly sort of voyeurism going on with it.

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Tone said...

anonymous:

What is sick is parents who got to church and pray when their child is "missing".

I still think the parents know what has happened to this child, but just for argument sake let's just say they are telling the truth and they left a small child alone along with 2 other children.

I think that makes them worthless pieces of shit and they should have their other children taken from them and then sterilze the parents so they can't make more.

I think too many people for many reasons are pushed into having children when they don't really want them. I admit it, I am not very fond of children (for myself) and I am selfish in that I like to be able to do what I want to do at a moments notice. So guess what? I didn't have any children... if you are that selfish don't breed!

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Tone said...

I may be "dumb" but at least I; 1. ID myself and don't hide.
2. Know better than to leave toddlers and babies alone in a hotel room, or anywhere else for that matter.
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3. If it makes me "dumb" to want asshats like these parents to not have more children they can bring harm to, then so be it!

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Pmomma, you do not have to much time on your hands and to update their information as often as you do, good for you. I have the kit in my freezer with a nail clippings and hair sample. We have the id cards that get updated with their pictures and information that I always carry with me.

Tone,
As I mentioned in a post above, I too think these parents should have their remaining children taken from them.

Zipi said...

P-momma, as another European (Spanish), let me confirm that it is common in many European places to leave children alone. At the age of 6 I was sent on occasion to run errands alone (and I lived in a city with a population of 600,000). Having also lived in the US for various years as an adult, I feel that either the dangers are really different, or the American media likes to keep American parents paranoid for no good reason.

marion from ireland said...

February 12th 1993 Jamie Bulger was abducted and murdered by 2 10 year olds. RIP.

Sorry I got that wrong earlier and thanks for putting me right.

Many people are being harsh here, however if any one of us had a crystal ball and could see what is happening to little Maddie or what has happened to her, we might be even harsher and the parents could be victims of a lynch mob. I just feel that any public criticism is a waste of time at this point, not constructive, and not likely to have any effect on the parents, at this time of complete despair it would probably not even register.

"In all of the posts only one or two people have mentioned Maddy. My thoughts, and prayers are with her more than her parents."

I guess that's right.

I can't imagine how the little girl must be feeling or what she might be suffering, I feel sick at the thought.

Carlie said...

For the people saying that it was no big deal to leave the kids alone: when was the last time you spent significant time around 2 and 3 year olds? They are vastly different from a 5 or 6 year old, which is the age most of you are saying you got to be apart from your parents for short times. 2 and 3 year olds are toddlers. They have very little impulse control, almost no idea of consequences, little sense of amounts of time (as in mom will be back in 20 minutes). That is too young to be left alone for 5 minutes, let alone 30.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

1. I think that Atheist is definitely on the unhealthy side of 'prepared'. Every three months... listing all your children's physical features and getting a photo of them ready to give to police if they are abducted. That is simply weird.

Interestingly enough, it's exactly what the Center for Missing Children recommends. I'm sorry that being prepared is a trait you find "weird". Since you're obviously a new reader to this blog, it might interest you to know that, at one point, my oldest was STALKED TO HER BUS STOP and approached by an old coot who didn't like this blog. Call me crazy, but I like to make sure I have all the bases covered.

You know who should be castrated? The paedophile who took her.

I agree with you, "Hannah".

Oh, and Atheist: emailing ALL YOUR European contacts with details and a photo of Maddy!
Would you care to form a complete sentence?

Firstly... well, they'll know ALL about it already. It's big news over here.
Now it is. When I originally posted this blog, most of them had no clue. But... I promise you, if your child is ever abducted, I'll do nothing. Does that make you feel better?

It's strangely ironic that you are interfering into the case from across the Atlantic.
Do you know what "ironic" means? I don't think you do. As for interfering, you can't have it both ways: I'm either not doing anything useful or I'm useful to the point of interfering. Which is it?

Don't you have missing kid cases in the US that you could concern yourself with?

Currently, nothing active. And, no child whose parents left her alone in a hotel room with twin, two-year-olds. But, in 1994, I helped search for a four year old who wandered off from a camp site and was found dead. I cried with her parents and went to her funeral. I still e-mail with that family. In fact, the mother has commented in this thread.

And also, I live in Europe. So I;d get a mail from you asking if I'd seen Maddy if I was on your contact list.
Yep. But, you're not. So, what's your point?

But I live in ENGLAND and so obviously i won't have seen her. It's a lot more hindrance than help, atheist; you have too much time.
That's pretty presumptuous. Do you know where her captor has her? Elizabeth Smart's parents got their daughter back---you know how? By constantly keeping her face and name in the media. They circulated her picture far and wide...
SHE CAME BACK because someone who took the time to pay attention recognized her in a park, NINE MONTHS LATER.

I'm glad that Maddy's fate, ultimately, does not rest in the hadns of those like you who consider passing along a picture to be "a hindrance".

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Atheist in a mini van. said...

Keiran Mac asked: Was I negligent?
No! There's a very clear difference between a child wandering off while you're right next to her, looking at a magazine, and a child being left alone, WITH TWO OTHER BABIES, more than 30 meters and around the corner from her parents who are dining and having cocktails. You immediately noticed she was gone and were able to find her within minutes.
Maddy's parents were not there.
Maddy woke-up to find, if the kidnapping is true, a strange person in her room. Did she scream? Quite possibly! Could her parents hear her scream? No. They were in a loud restaurant, out of line of sight and hearing. When the man took Maddy... were the twins asleep? Did they cry? Where were their parents? Oh yeah...having a leisurely, late dinner. When he (I'll assume it was a he) walked out the door with Maddy... where were her parents to notice? Was she crying? Did he threaten her? Did the twins hear the threats? The problem is that WE DON'T KNOW. We can't know because her parents were NOT THERE. They weren't there for FIFTEEN TO THIRTY MINUTES. Scarier question: when the parents did "check", could the perp have been in the apartment already?

When your daughter got "lost" in the bookstore... you immediately were able to commence looking for her. There was little time for her to go far. By the time Maddy's parents noticed she was gone... she was GONE.

In the U.S., we have this thing called Code Adam. If you're in a store and you notice your child has wandered off, you contact the first employee you see and they will call a Code Adam. This locks down the store and puts guards/employees at all exits, to screen everyone who leaves and make sure no one leaves with your child. BECAUSE people know that kids wander off in stores. We know that parents get distracted in stores. We know accidents DO happen and there's really nothing you can do to prevent that (short of tying your child to you and that's extreme). But, you CAN mitigate your chance of your child being taken from your home or apartment by BEING THERE.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

The only point I am making is that I think you are a. a little paranoid, and b. being overly preachy to parents who would willingly admit they made a mistake.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
As for preachy... perhaps I am. I have yet to hear, though, Maddy's parents admit to making a mistake. I've only heard a bunch of people defending them because it's "quite common to leave children" in Europe.

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Kieran Mac said...

Thanks aetheist but my question as to whether I was negligent was actually rhetorical. I know I wasnt negligent.

The McCanns got it wrong. Just because they havent come on television to beat their breasts and plead forgiveness from the "great unwashed" does not mean they are not guilt ridden and sincerely sorry for their actions. Of course they are.

I think it is time everyone stopped being so judgemental.

Also, if my child went missing, God forbid, I wouldnt care if an Inuit lit a candle for her in the Yukon or Aetheist e-mailed Santa Clause, I would want as many people helping me in as many insignificant ways as possible.

So calm down guys. Stop with the abuse. This is a good discussion forum where everyone should voice their opinions, but I think a little more understanding for the McCanns and each other may not be such a bad idea.

Oiche mhaith agus Beannacht libh.

Hippernicus said...

I can assure you that the coverage of this story has been continuous over here, since her abduction 6 days ago.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

There is no 'perhaps' about it ;)
You are taking the moral high ground and I don't really know what you made this blog for. So that people would come and slag off the McCanns? Or so they'd post how admirable your efforts to protect your own children are? (the phrase 'bully for you' comes to mind!)


I don't know how many times I can repeat this. I made THIS blog post (FOUR DAYS AGO) because there is NO AMERICAN COVERAGE OF THIS and I think there should be. I had just prior to THIS post, made a post about complacency with our loved ones (you know...not saying "I love you" when you have a chance, because it may be the last time you talk to them). THIS news story came right on the heels of THAT post.

Also, about your daughter being stalked by someone who hates your blog - perhaps this should have prompted you to stop making such provocative bulletins?
The thought did cross my mind. And, if you ask any LONG TIME reader of this blog... I was a mess. As for provacative bulletins...in America, any Atheist blog is going to get flack. Does that mean atheists should shut-up? :)


" 'Atheist in a mini van' would rather be able to speak her mind online than preserve the safety of her own children." In your own words, 'what the fuck?'

You could do that. Although, your logic wouldn't be precise. There has never been a precedent for what happened to my daughter. There is, however, precedent for children left unattended to be harmed, hurt, or abducted. There's no active child neglect with blogging - my little ones are playing right here at my feet... my older ones are at school. The incident with my daughter required extraordinary means on the part of the person who wanted to get their message across and my daughter, while scared, was not alone. She was in the company of older boys who actually intervened in her defense. Since that incident, we've changed our practices and routines.

But this is what you are doing to the McCanns and perhaps this is the kind of flack you'd have been in for if you hadn't got your daughter home safely that night.

How is posting links to news articles, that backed up what I said four days ago, "flacking" the McCanns? I'm allowed to have the opinion that they were negligent. If you would actually read what I've said, you'd see that I don't hold them responsible for whatever heinous acts the criminal has done to their daughter....only that *I* didn't understand how one COULD/WOULD leave babies alone like that.

Also, to add in a friendly comment for a change, and just for the record, I'm a huge Richard Dawkins fan (being an agnostic bordering on atheist myself) and I also adore John Irving books; they are hilarious.
Agreed!! I loved "Garp" and "A Prayer for Owen Meany". And, Dawkins is AWESOME!

Actually it's been the first item on the news over here since Friday morning, and I can't imagine you posted the blog much before that.

Are you sure? Even INTERPOL is stating that the local police didn't contact them until 24 hours after the abduction. I posted my blog on Sunday evening and the links included reflect the "facts" as they were at the time. Facts probably have changed... but, I can't go back and change what I said...it has to stand on the facts as they were known at the time. And, since my main "gripe" was that I couldn't imagine leaving little ones alone like that, my gripe hasn't changed. I've been informed (LOL --- TRUST ME) that it's a common thing for Europeans to do, but interestingly,...even the Europeans are going, "They were a little young to be left in that manner."

And IF I ever had a child that was abducted I think I'd want to have the privacy to grieve,
I have never stated that the parents should go public. I think you're projecting what you believe my feelings are, rather than what I've stated they are. The family absolutely has a right to grieve this loss privately.

rather than the unwonted opinions of international busy-bodies plastered all over the Internet, to be quite honest.

And, yet... you keep commenting with your own opinions. ;) Really, I think you'd be fine with my "unwonted opinons" if they were entirely sympathetic in nature. If I had posted and said, "OMG! These poor, poor, white, rich, doctors left their babies alone in a resort apartment while they went to have dinner and some really bad man walked in an took their three year...how dare he? Those poor, poor parents. People should be able to leave their children and go party! What is this world coming to?", you'd be all for THAT opinion.
And...btw- I do think it's horrible that this happens to ANY FAMILY. But, I'm not going to feign sympathy for the family when my real sympathy lies with Maddy and her siblings. Again... do you think it was comforting for Maddy to wake up and find a strange person in her room...while her parents were not within earshot? You're defending the parents...I'm defending MADDY. NO THREE-YEAR-OLD CHILD SHOULD BE PLACED IN THE POSITION SHE WAS IN...no matter whose fault it was.

Also, you're spelling the poor girl's name wrong. Madeleine, not Madeline.

It's a typo. Get over it.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

The McCanns got it wrong. Just because they havent come on television to beat their breasts and plead forgiveness from the "great unwashed" does not mean they are not guilt ridden and sincerely sorry for their actions. Of course they are.

I'm not faulting them for not making public statements.
I'm faulting them for making a three year old find herself in the situation she found herself in.

I'm sure they are sorry. I'm sure they do have guilt. Maybe other people will learn from their tragedy and realize that complacency is dangerous.

Hippernicus said...

I'm not clear on why US coverage of this should be important. It's highly unlikely she would be brought to the US.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I'm not clear on why US coverage of this should be important. It's highly unlikely she would be brought to the US.

True. It's actually highly unlikely that she will be found alive.

However, we live in a global society (evidenced by the fact that there are people here reading this blog from all over the world). What if an American family, or traveler, were now on his way to Spain or Portugal for business or pleasure? What if, in the airport, he/she/they see Maddy... but, they won't know it's Maddy because American news, for whatever reason, has decided not to publicize this case? I realize that children go missing every day. I realize that most of them don't receive coverage even IN their country. I think that's something, as a society, that we should correct. Why is a child worth less than a news story on (let me randomly turn on the television and see what's making news)... HA!...Paris Hilton going to jail?? Really. I'd prefer to see a blurb on Maddy (or any other missing child). Raise some awareness. Remind people not to take their children for granted and to exercise caution AT ALL TIMES. Urge people not to be complacent about the people they love.

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And as to your original 'typo'? You spelt Madeline without the 'e' throughout that first post, it wasn't a one off.

You are correct. My apologies.

Have I read "The God Delusion"?? :) Girl... memorized is a better verb. Although, I'm still more fond of "The Ancestor's Tale".

Hippernicus said...

It's an extremely high profile case over here and has been since she was abducted 6 days ago. If she wasn't white and blonde it might have been different, but as it is, our media have been eating it up.

While I agree that the search for a missing child is far more newsworthy than Paris Hilton could ever be, I think that much of the reporting has been verging on hysteria & emotional vampirism. Not to mention the way it is feeding the stranger-paedophile stereotype, when child abduction is actually extremely rare.

marion said...

Has anyone considered that the mc canns might actually read this blog ?
I hope they don't , but if they did it would be like acid poured on sores.
These parents are realy sfferig, this is a TOTAL nightmare than none of can truly imagine, it's time to stop being so arrogant and presuming you can imagine this or sepculating as to how you might act, yes some of you migt fal tpieces and need sedated and appear on television like wrecks etc etc, is it not much braver and more commendable the way the Mc canns have made public appeals, no doubt scrpipted by experts, has it occured to you that their behaviour is being carefully stage managed by investigators ? has it occured to you that they might actually be sedated ?

This blog is way to harsh, inexcuseably so. Every single video and photo of this child shows a beautiful well dressed, well presented confident little girl who appeared to be deeply loved. Her family's intentionwa to give her a nice holiday, she was safe and asleep when they last checked on her, she was more likely to be struck by lightening than abducted from her apartment.

By all means publicise her plight and that of her family, but lay off the witch hunt and count your blessings or atheistic lucky stars that your child has never been abducted on one of the countless occasions that he/she or they were out of your sight whether that be with caregivers, or at school or wherever.

These parents know they made a mistake, but it was a mistake, and the consequences were unpredictable and horrific, every year parents reverse over their children and kill them in their cars, horrific mistakes, every year house fires kill children, terrible mistakes, in what way does bating up devastated and traumatised parents who will grieve for the rest of their living days help ?????

Just do what you can to help find little Maddy.

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Atheist in a mini van. said...

What part of "anonymous comments will be deleted" is hard to understand?

And... really, READ the thread before you post. The last anonymous comment said something about how they thought it was terrible that Maddy was only on the 12th page of the paper, while Britney Spears was on page 2. DUDE! I AGREE WITH YOU!! IF YOU HAD READ THE COMMENTS, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Has anyone considered that the mc canns might actually read this blog ?

Doubt it.

it's time to stop being so arrogant and presuming you can imagine this or sepculating as to how you might act,
I don't have to speculate on the fact that her parents left her alone with two year old twins. There's no speculation there. That's fact.

AS I'VE SAID BEFORE...I REALLY DO NOT CARE IF THE McCANNS GO PUBLIC OR STAY PRIVATE. At this point, the deed is done.

This blog is way to harsh, inexcuseably so.
Reality is often harsh. As for the blog being "way too harsh"...a great many people disagree with you. But, I respect your opinion. Perhaps, if you feel it's too harsh, you should not read it or forward it. Don't drive traffic to it.

has it occured to you that their behaviour is being carefully stage managed by investigators ?
Again! Their behavior NOW is not what I have a complaint about.

Her family's intentionwa to give her a nice holiday, she was safe and asleep when they last checked on her, she was more likely to be struck by lightening than abducted from her apartment.

You're misusing statistics. It's not likely that she would be kidnapped, it's entirely probable that she might have met some harm (injury - physical or emotional).

But, since you've brought up the subject, should we discuss what statistics does tell us about child abductions?? Most of the time, they involve a family member or someone the child trusts. If you want to play statistics and probabilities, this will get even more sketchy and make the McCanns look very suspicious. I don't think they're guilty of anything other than negligience. But, if you'd like to speculate on what the statistics might be read to show, then you go right ahead.

in what way does bating up devastated and traumatised parents who will grieve for the rest of their living days help ?????

No one is beating up anyone on here. Again... sorry, I side with the TRAUMATIZED CHILDREN in this case. I do have sympathy for the McCanns and I'm sure they're feeling really horribly. My blog isn't meant to make that worse.

every year parents reverse over their children and kill them in their cars, horrific mistakes, every year house fires kill children, terrible mistakes
Random accidents are different than neglectful behavior that leads to harm. The parent who accidently runs over their child probably didn't stage practice runs. They probably didn't make it a habit to fail to look in their rear view mirror. The people who support them aren't asking other people to not talk about the dangers of not looking in their rear-view mirros. Their families often go on to try and prevent others from making the same mistakes. You can't compare the situations.

Thomas said...

Are some of you serious?
I can't believe there are people defending Kate and Gerry McCann's decision to repeatedly leave small children alone. Look at the map of the property. The tapas place is not in the line of sight. It's around a corner and about 40m still. There's a pond or body of water between. The window had to be on the front because the apartment is on an end cap. The honest to God truth is that these parents were not paying care to their children. If they were watching as closely as one suggests, Madeleine wouldn't be missing.

This bloggers words are stinging, I'll give you that, but shes not said that which hasn't crossed all of our minds. If we have made a habit of leaving our children untended, maybe we should cease the practice then.

Pickle lady was spot on. At times we treat our children as less valuable than money.

I pray for Maddy and hope she meets Jesus or is returned to her mum and pop. Lets not forget to address the problem thogh.

concha e. said...

I read your blog often. English is not good. Is my first comment. Is sad about the little girl. My news says nothing. Today they say her name and face in Madrid. I read it in your blog Monday.

Housewife said...

"I hate to be the catty bitch... but I wonder how much they spent on dinner?"

Darlin' come and sit with me!

pie.rat said...

I'd like to throw my hat into the "Maddy's parents IN NO WAY deserved to have their child kidnapped, but they behaved very irresponsibly" crowd. You will never be able to convince me that leaving a three year old in charge of two younger toddlers at night is a good idea. Toddlers can wander away or get hurt in the blink of an eye because they are simply too young to understand consequences. Accidents can happen so fast; why would you EVER leave your toddlers alone on purpose, increasing the chance that something bad could happen to them?

I hope Maddy comes home safely.

WindieChica said...

This is all too common. There was a story in Trinidad a few years back when a grandmother left a 6 year old in charge of infants. She (the grandmother) had to leave for a doctors appointment and left before the babysitter arrived because she did not want to be late. The little girl was bathing the twins ( I believe they were 9 months old) and left them in the tub to answer the telephone. I think you can guess what happened. I cannot remember if the grandmother was charged but it was discussed.
It was one of the saddest stories I have ever heard as is this one. People do incredibly stupid things. I feel story for the parents in this story still, because they not only have to live with the loss of their child, but the knowledge that they contributed to it happening. No judgment in a court could be worst.

spook said...

From the Daily mail May 10tyh 2007

Relatives of the couple revealed that the McCanns and three other couples on holiday with them, all doctors, tucked their children into bed each night and walked the 40 yards from their apartments at the Ocean Club run by British tour operators, Mark Warner in Praia da Luz on the Algarve to a poolside tapas bar.

There, according to local police, the couples enjoyed "long dinners", checking on their children every 30 minutes.

It was part of a routine established by the McCanns and their friends from the first day of their sunshine break.

Until now, it had been widely believed that the abduction of Madeleine came on the one night that the McCanns had left their children alone.

But Mr McCann's sister, Patricia, a 47-year- old nurse from Glasgow, revealed: "There were eight of them there, all with kids, and every night they went out for a meal without them.

"It was less than 40 yards away and they were all meticulous in checking them, it was just part of the routine.

"They felt it was better than leaving them with a babysitter as you don't know who you are going to get with a stranger."

Madeleine's grandmother, Eileen McCann, 67, added: "They weren't sure about the babysitter service, they just don't like leaving them with strangers.

"It wasn't something they did very often - they have a nanny at home whom they trust.

"It's something we have all done at some point and you just don't expect anything like this to happen.

"They're normal parents who love their children and would never neglect them in any way.

"Any suggestion they were neglecting them is completely insulting.

"They aren't big drinkers, they all just like to go out for a meal and a few glasses of wine to relax in the evening.

"They certainly don't drink to excess - they are all doctors after all."

Portuguese police said it was "normal practice" for holidaymakers in the resort to leave their children. But locals in Praia da Luz are less sure.

Restaurateur Pedro Sales, summed up the feeling among many residents: "I am a father myself and I would never leave a child alone. I do not understand why they did this, they are a good couple, both doctors.

"I see the British leaving their children alone all the time. I go to a swimming pool and I see parents having a drink and laughing, and then their little children are walking along the side of the pool, and nobody has noticed."

This just gets better and better!

Atheist in a mini van. said...

That it does. Thanks for the update.

"It's something we have all done at some point and you just don't expect anything like this to happen"
This is such bullshit. A) NO! We all haven't done it. B) If everyone jumped off a bridge, it doesn't make it safe... just means there are multiple people who have no common sense.


"They felt it was better than leaving them with a babysitter as you don't know who you are going to get with a stranger."

Yes. It's much better to leave two and three year old children alone. Because, a "stranger", employed by the resort, with a history of babysitting at said resort, is completely unacceptable. But, leaving the kids in a vulnerable position is totally cool?

How about options C and D: Bring your nanny on vacation and/or tuck in, with your friends, just outside the door or in the livingroom.


"They're normal parents who love their children and would never neglect them in any way. "
This is such a ridiculous statement. I don't think anyone believes that they didn't love their children. But, people often neglect the people they love...it doesn't make it right. It especially doesn't excuse the responsibility of the parent.


Restaurateur Pedro Sales, summed up the feeling among many residents: "I am a father myself and I would never leave a child alone. I do not understand why they did this, they are a good couple, both doctors.

"I see the British leaving their children alone all the time. I go to a swimming pool and I see parents having a drink and laughing, and then their little children are walking along the side of the pool, and nobody has noticed."

And...there it is.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Found this, too:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23395686-details/Madeleine's+parent's+left+her+alone+because+they+didn't+want+to+leave+her+with+a+stranger/article.do

"Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann decided not to employ a £10-an-hour babysitter to look after Madeleine, three, and two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, while they went for dinner, because they "don't like leaving them with strangers", their family said.

Mrs McCann's mother, Susan Healy, said the couple had made a mistake in leaving the children alone, but criticism of them was totally unjustified.


Here's what I don't get... why wouldn't you just rotate a set of parents a night and leave the kids sleeping in ONE apartment? Let one parent (or set of parents) take a night. You're still going to see them in the daytime...and really, missing one dinner isn't going to ruin the vacay.

And...here's the real kicker:
"Most days the children attended the creche run by Mark Warner at the Ocean Club and took part in the games and activities organised by the trained staff. "


Yep. Those kids were just exhausting their poor parents. NOT! Let's see... it's okay to pawn off the kids to the babysitters during the day, but...not at night?

Atheist in a mini van. said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=453811&in_page_id=1879

Scroll down through the article to see the lawyers take.

Andrew said...

Seriously who the hell are you all to judge, the true facts have not been released and in fact the hotel have even stood by them and so have the police...What gives you the right to judge them?

you should be hoping they find the little girl alive not sniping at the parents. Do you know where your kids are? fuck sake get off yr fat arse and be positive

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magic-cornflake said...

I think this sums the situation: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/india_knight/article1752292.ece

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Irim said...

I posted this elsewhere, just thought I'd drop it here for comment:

From yesterday morning’s Independent:

”Is the family under suspicion?

Internet bloggers have passed judgement on Madeleine’s parents for leaving their children asleep while they had dinner 50 yards away. Now, unconfirmed reports say that police inquiries are including extended family. ”

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2524433.ece

for the full article.

Some questions/comments:

1. All maps seem to show, and all papers seem to agree, that there was no direct sight line from the bar to the apartment. At the very least, the sight line seems impeded by palms and bougainvillea, and it also seems to be around a slight bend/corner. As we know, there are entrances that wouldn’t have been seen from the complex.

2. I’ve heard that the shutters could be opened from the outside, so there doesn’t seem to have been a need to force them? And it was a ground floor flat, so...

2.5 Wouldn’t it have been easie/quicker to lift a child wrapped in a blanket rather than disentangling? Why was the blanket left behind?

3. The times the parents checked on the little ones seem to vary, but she was clearly taken between 9-10. Up here in the UK, it’s still getting pretty dark by then…I’m guessing it’s similar in the Algarve?

4. I think the words people use under extreme duress are really worth looking at, b/c they don’t have time to filter them. The first thing Kate McCann said, by all accounts, is “*They’ve taken her*,” and she *repeated* it. I’ve gone through this with a friend who’s a linguist, b/c to me, it seemed a very odd thing to say at a time like that - she didn’t name *which* daughter - remember, there’s wee Amelie as well. We thought that “Oh my God, Maddy’s missing/gone/been taken” seemed a more natural first thing to say. I thought, and my friend agrees, that “They’ve taken her” indicates a specific, known “they”, and certain knowledge that she had been taken, not wandered off. It also implies that the person you’re saying it to *knows the pronoun reference*. This may be a stretch, but maybe they’d run into someone who’d unnerved them or shown excessive interest in Maddy either in the UK or on hols?

5. If 4, then why wait to ring the police whilst you look on your own? Afraid of the consequences? Hoping against hope that you’re wrong and that she’s asleep under a tree or ran to one of the friends’ flats?

6. Totally agreed with the parents rotating through, with the kids all in room. But the strangers defence doesn't hold up, as they used the creche. And if they were THAT anxious about leaving their kids with a stranger, surely they would have been that much more anxious about leaving them alone?

Just some initial thoughts.

Ixx

Irim said...

P.s. - Possum momma, I think you might want to enable comment moderation. It might be easier to reject these comments rather than delete them. AND you should be able to turn off anonymous comments - my friend has.

Am slowly reading through blog entries and loving it!

Ixx

Kieran Mac said...

I agree with Andrew and Ive been saying it for past two days. Stop with the conspiracy nonsense and the judgemental accusations.

When a person is down, the last thing they need is to be kicked.

This family need support, any help anyone can give and as much awareness as possible. When the news reporters leave within the next 10 days, and the family return to the UK, I think websites such as this will be a great help in keeping the story alive long after everyone else has given up on it.

magic-cornflake said...

Fresh leads = fresh hopes, i have everything crossed for the safe return of beautiful Maddy. x

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magic-cornflake said...

The mccanns have been driven off in a police car and a reporter said that has never happened before they have cctv footage of a couple and a little girl at a petrol station and they have 3 suspects two men and a women with British plates so they following that up fingers crossed that its them that have her and that she comes back, there will be a press conference tonight at 6-30pm - fingers crossed and maybe just maybe! x

Irim said...

You beat me to it, Magic Cornflake. Here's hoping Maddy is sipping some orange juice at the police station about to be reunited with her parents.

I've only seen the news from someone in Portugal - can't find it breaking anywhere else.

Please, please, let her be ok.

Ixx

Irim said...

From Paulo Reis:



++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS ++++++++++

13:40 - A team of CID offciers took Madeleine parents to their regional headquarter, in Portimão

magic-cornflake said...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1264945,00.html
EVERYTHING IS CROSSED FOR BEAUTIFUL MADDY x

almeidafaria said...

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almeidafaria said...

I am portuguese, a father of a beautiful seven year old son that cannot understand how these parents went to dinner leaving their three toddlers all alone. Although these things do happen, you shouldn't contribute with neglectful behaviour. I cannot help feeling that they are, in part, responsible... But still my heart goes out to them and hope and pray that Maddy will appear, unharmed.

magic-cornflake said...

http://www.24dash.com/communities/20415.htm - uptodate article.

Marion from Ireland again said...

Atheist, you are criticusing the mum's behaviour now, in quite a catty way I might add, the woman can't help being pretty and looking good on t.v., she also looks totally exhausted and very distraught !

"...but...oh no... not for this family. She sat. In a church. For 90 minutes. And, was a media darling. *shakes head* "

"...Again! Their behavior NOW is not what I have a complaint about..."

I just feel such anxiety for this little girl, and so worried that a pervert has got her for use in porn or sexual abuse, does anyone else feel that they know this child as the media coverage of her little life has ben so extensive with all the photos, vidoe clips and appeals from her family ? I just SO SO wnat this little ange found and returned home and to know she is safe

And I understand all the anger expressed here even though I wonder if it's inappropriate

I can see why so many are angry that this little girl has been exposed to heinous suffering

I can't help thinking this shocking a deplorable crime was unpredictable

I am sure these parents know they made BIG mistake and that this will torture them forever , even IF Maddy is found.

How will the sibling twins cope ?

Just all to awful isn't it ?

magic-cornflake said...

I most certianly agree Marion from Ireland again - WELL DONE!!!!!! Like you i pray and wish for the safe return of beatuiful Maddy x

Marion from Ireland said...

P.S Atheist, I really like your blog and the honest opinions you express on it and your motivation, even if I have been disagreeable to an extent

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I'm reading some of the links that were left... I just hope that Maddy has beat the statistics and her parents are being gathered to reunite with their child (and not view a body). :(

That poor baby.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Marion from Ireland said...
P.S Atheist, I really like your blog and the honest opinions you express on it and your motivation, even if I have been disagreeable to an extent



Marion,
Anyone has every right to disagree with me and share that opinion. The longer one gets to know me, the sooner you realize that I don't hold myself about criticism and when I am wrong, I will admit it. I really am not bothered by someone holding a differing opinion. SO... be disagreeable. :) It's often in having our own beliefs criticized or questioned that we learn the most about ourselves.

...the woman can't help being pretty and looking good on t.v., she also looks totally exhausted and very distraught !

I just have to point out that I never criticized her for looking good on television or being attractive. Even *I* wouldn't sink that low.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Seriously who the hell are you all to judge, the true facts have not been released and in fact the hotel have even stood by them and so have the police...What gives you the right to judge them?

No one walked up to me and handed me "the right to judge". However, we all have the right to form an opinion on ANY INCIDENT based on the facts as they are presented. You've done it, too. You've judged the situation and determined that the parents are above criticism. Good for you. Others don't share your perspective. I don't really care how many people support a bad decision, it still doesn't make the bad decision "good" or even "acceptable".


you should be hoping they find the little girl alive not sniping at the parents. Do you know where your kids are? fuck sake get off yr fat arse and be positive

I am hoping they find the little girl SAFE. I hope she's alive. I also hope she's well. I can disagree with the choice of her parents and find their actions reprehensible and, yet, STILL HOPE MADDY IS SAFE. In fact, AS I HAVE SAID REPETEDLY... I support the person who's ACTUALLY THE VICTIM- MADDY!

Of course I know where my children are. Are you threatening them?

BTW- thanks for not being anonymous.

Jennifer said...

Latest Update:

'The search for the missing British toddler Madeleine McCann is coming to an end, Portuguese police said tonight.

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) said tonight that the search had not yet been called off, but admitted it was being wound down.

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said that a 125 square mile area had been searched, with each area covered more than once by search and rescue and dog teams, and by more than one search team.

Article continues
"The area that they covered until now, and all the places that have been checked, the results are zero," he said.

He also revealed that child's clothing recovered by officers did not belong to the missing three-year-old, who went missing, believed abducted, last Thursday.

Chief Inspector Sousa confirmed that his force was continuing to examine CCTV images recovered in the search for Madeleine, but he gave no information about what the images showed.

He refused to comment on newspaper reports that footage from a local petrol station showed a young girl in a distressed state accompanied by two or three adults.

According to the reports the two or three adults were driving a car with British number plates, whose registration has been passed to police forces across Europe.

Earlier reports suggested that a woman had been seen with a young girl matching Madeleine's description.

The possible sighting was the strongest lead to emerge since the child vanished. According to local newspapers, a man and woman "of British appearance" were seen on April 30, three days before Madeleine vanished, photographing children in the nearby town of Sagres.

When challenged by one of the children's parents, a German expatriate, the couple fled, but the man snatched a photograph on his mobile phone.

The Correio da Manha newspaper said that the man had been shown the CCTV footage and told police he had "not the smallest doubt" that the woman and one of the men were the couple he had seen.

The woman is described as blonde and in her 40s, and a local shopkeeper told the 24 Horas newspaper that she had seen a woman matching that description outside Madeleine's bedroom window on the night she vanished.

Earlier in the day, the child's mother, Kate McCann, attended an ecumenical communion service in the town's small chapel.

She was accompanied by a female friend and clasped a pink teddy bear belonging to her daughter that she has carried since the disappearance. Saturday is Madeleine's fourth birthday.

More than 150 local people, expatriates and holidaymakers crammed into the small church for a service which Anglican priest Haynes Hubbard described as having "no precedent".

"We are simply going to ask God's power and protection on Madeleine and her parents and her siblings, and on everyone who has been shocked and saddened and utterly desolate at what has happened," Fr Hubbard said.

As he finished his meditation, the Roman Catholic priest Padre Ze Manuel leaned to Mrs McCann and said urgently: "Courage, courage, courage."

Mr and Mrs McCann are devout Catholics and have attended a number of services at the chapel since Madeleine disappeared from their apartment as they ate in a tapas restaurant 100 metres away.

One expatriate woman, who gave her name only as Alison, had come with her nine-year-old daughter Ashley. "As a mum I wanted to do something," she said.

"I don't know how on earth we can offer any comfort, but I wanted to make sure there were as many people here as possible to show our support."

Crimestoppers has set up a special number for information from holidaymakers in the Algarve. Yesterday, a spokesman said a number of calls had been passed to police, four of them containing information that was potentially "very useful".

Meanwhile, a third officer from the British Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) is understood to have joined the investigation in Portugal.

The McCann family are not suspected in the investigtion'

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Irim says: P.s. - Possum momma, I think you might want to enable comment moderation. It might be easier to reject these comments rather than delete them. AND you should be able to turn off anonymous comments - my friend has.


I have been debating about moderating comments or turning off the anonymous option, but I really would like to keep it so that the blog doesn't become totally one-sided. I like the debate. Having our ideas/beliefs challenged helps us refine our own opinions. The only reason I don't like people leaving anonymous comments is that it becomes had to follow "which anonymous?" said what. Oh! And, if I disable anonymous comments, people would not be able to comment without having a blogger account. There's no decent middle ground.

Either way, thanks for commenting and leaving your thoughts.

marion said...

I like things as they are, as you say, people can use their dogs name if they must, + not everyone is moderate and it's good to hear extremists views too , censorship opens the door to self delusion and the notion that all people are agreeable

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Atheist in a mini van. said...

For the time being, I am going to enable comment moderation. If you play by the rules (and state your identity) and keep your thoughts, at the very least, civilized... I'll approve it. If you're just posting an opinion, which clearly shows you have not been READING this thread, and you just want to spout off with obsenities, then... don't. Either back-up your position with a rational argument or don't bother.

Marion said...

I cant belive they are going to wind down the investigation + on the news yesterday and officer confirmed that they can't search locked premises without "reasonable suspicion" and he walked past a locked old shed, ( which looked like the sort of tip a child could be locked in) because it had a pad lock, he made no effort to search it, so so very frustrating

Keep searching for Maddie and pull out ALL the stops,

It's daft to protect the 'suspect' right to a fair trial over the right s of this little girl , i cant undertand them not publishing the picture, even if it like an 'egg', who cares about suspects, we just want Maddy safe.

Anonymous said...

I think Athiest summed it up perfectly, as a parent, to leave your children unattended for any amount of time, especially at thoses ages, is just plain wrong. There is no excuse for it. If they had to eat so bad, then order it and bring it back to the room.

Irim said...

PM -

I moderate comments and put everyone in as long as they're polite - just as you've decided to - I love debate, too.

Hmmm, I think on my friend's blog, there's "Other" as an option if you disable anonymous comments, so people don't need a google account?

Whatever works for you - just thought I'd offer the options.

Girdag said...

She'll be out of the country now, surely? I reckon there's a decent possibility she's been sold to a rich family somewhere who wanted a child, but didn't want to/couldn't go through the adoption process, there's been similar cases in the past. As it is, they probably were a little overcasual by leaving their children alone, but...I dunno, it's a small crime, at worst. Millions of other parents have also done something similar at some time, even if it was just now and again, and in a 'family' resort, you might be forgiven for feeling safe. Criticising the parents will, ultimately, not bring her back, it will not accomplish anything but making the parents feel it is 'their' fault, and making their lives even more of a living hell.

Irim said...

Ok, just to keep everyone up to date from this side of the pond. From the poster *In Portugal* at this excellent website - http://crimeblog.us/?p=411:

'News headlines:

Kate was released from the police station at midnight. Gerry was questioned throughout the wee small hours.

All stations are repeating Ricardo’s “Correio da Manhã” (Morning Mail) quote about Madeleine having been traced from her apartment to another room in the resort.'
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The paper link:

http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=241986&idCanal=181

The lead paragraph reads:

“Yesterday, during the afternoon, the Judiciary Police questioned two people who were presented for identification by the parents and friends of Madeleine.”

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'Field searches were apparently suspended at Midnight.

They are focusing on the resort itself. It seems that, last night, K-9 units were hopping from veranda to veranda and across the roof.'

It's worth going over to the site, it has information I have yet to see on the BBC and Sky.

Oh, cr**.

Ixx

magic-cornflake said...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1264945,00.html

Marion said...

that a childless couple have taken or 'bought' Maddie is the least worst option I guess, but wouldn't a childless couple have wanted a younger childto bond with ? And thus taken one of the twins, or even both of them ? + Statistically childless couple prefer boys and Maddy's little brother was left unharmed. I do think that though these parents have been hideously unfortunate,and what ahs hapened to them is maybe less than 1 in a million, in a way they have also been lucky, that if some weirdo, evil person, possibly pervert, was in that room, they left the twins unharmed, I wonder did Mum come along just as they were making away with Maddy ? in which case a slow police response will have had horrendous consequences.

I agree,giving out about the parents won't help Maddy, they have suffered consequences way beyond their ' crime' / carelessness, in a criminal court INTENT is central to the punishment and these folk intended their adored little girl NO harm, she looks like a weel loved princess in evry picture, and she was a little IVF baby, which means she was wanted so much and her mum went through so much to get her, makes it al the more heartbreakng now. I think we have to be supportive of the family now, to help them keep courage in the search for Maddy, and in their parenting of their beautiful twins, the last thing these people need is more anguish or condemnation.

Really this could be any of us,my children are at school right now, and I presume safe. But life has no guarantees and many good parents have lost children in tragic circumstances, though maybe not as tragic as these .

magic-cornflake said...

Thankyou Irim, for keeping us all informed. x

Irim said...

You're welcome, magic-cornflake (love the name!) - more coming in as we type, from a great poster named Oliveira:

Kate left the police station at 7pm. Gerry only left at 3.30am.
This morning three people were taken for questioning, a couple and one other woman. They are still in the police station.

And from *In Portugal*:

* The three being interrogated this morning are fellow guests.

* The Chief Inspector has been seen carrying a big file towards the court house.

Ixx

magic-cornflake said...

Atheist in a mini van - your quiet!!!!!!!! i accept your in the states and cannot possibly answer whilst your asleep, but you have been remarkably quiet in your presence over the last 24hrs. Are you now thinking (quite rightly too - you fool) that there is more things at stake than casting speculation and rumour, putting your feeling (wrongly) out there into the public domain AS a beautiful child missing? Please please please forget all your constact critism for a moment and lets not forget why we are blogging, we want Maddy returned safe and sound and before you quote me..... I know you want this too however your overwhelming feeling comes to the forfront of your comments!

McWill said...

Please, please, please stop the abhorrent posts about Kate and Gerry. I live in the UK, but was in the US at the time of the Susan Smith incident. Kate and Gerry's situation could not be further from Susan Smith's. There is absolutely no way this family had anything to do with Maddy's disappearance.
The resort that the McCann's were staying in is run by Mark Warner - a holiday company affordable by only those with a certain level of income (ie not cheap). Mark Warner is reknowned for being 'Family Friendly', and in the UK, that equates to somewhere you can take even the smallest of children, and feel safe in that environment. No-one who goes on a Mark Warner holiday would (before now) ever feel that they would be in any type of danger; it's just that type of environment. What you also need to consider is how people feel when they go on holiday - surely you must have heard of the term 'holiday mood'? Everyone relaxes, guards are down. What everyone should be thinking and feeling is 'there but for the grace of God...', because that is the real truth. None of us are perfect, and not one parent out there can say with 100% certainty, that they have never made a questionable decision regarding the care of their children. Just think back, and look at how many situations you have been in, that might have resulted in a different outcome. None of us have the right to criticise these people. They are going through the worst kind of hell, and what they need is support and compassion. You guys who choose to castigate Kate and Gerry are not doing yourselves any favours - all it does is serve to promote the frequently negative impression many Europeans have of some Americans. Anyone who really believes Kate and Gerry should be punished further for their actions, is no better than the evil bastard who took Maddy, and people who think that way deserve to rot in hell.
Kate and Gerry have two more children, and they have to keep going for them. How dare any of you criticise Kate for her appearance in public? She does not choose to be filmed and photographed - I am sure that it is the last thing on her mind. All she wants is her darling daughter back in her arms. Some evil person out there knows where she is, and what has happened to her. I hope with all my heart and soul that somehow, soon she will be able to be back with her family. I beg you to stop the negative posts. Kate and Gerry are loving parents, who have had their hearts ripped out. The only thing they want is their daughter back. Nothing else matters to them. I don't expect you to understand, but I hope that at least some of you will.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Please, please, please stop the abhorrent posts about Kate and Gerry.
The abhorent "posts"? I made one post. These are just comments.

There is absolutely no way this family had anything to do with Maddy's disappearance.

I don't think they have anything, beyond leaving her alone, to do with the disappearance. But, saying "there's absolutely no way..." is a bit interesting. How do you know?

None of us are perfect, and not one parent out there can say with 100% certainty, that they have never made a questionable decision regarding the care of their children.
Have you even read the comments on this post? Obviously not. I've argued, in a couple of comments, that we should be fighting this sense of complacency and Maddy's story should remind us not to EVER totally relax our guard with regard to our children.


I beg you to stop the negative posts.
I've made one post. The rest of what you are reading here is commentary made by others/myself/etc.,. If it bothers you so much, stop reading. This post is, now, 5-6 days old. If you want it to die...stop posting.


magic-cornflake said...
Atheist in a mini van - your quiet!!!!!!!! i accept your in the states and cannot possibly answer whilst your asleep, but you have been remarkably quiet in your presence over the last 24hrs.

Let's see...my internet went down for six hours and I *do* sleep. :) As for being remarkably quiet... you do realize that this is only ONE post on a full blog. I've been blogging about other things. In fact, I think I've made three posts since this one about Maddy.


Are you now thinking (quite rightly too - you fool) that there is more things at stake than casting speculation and rumour, putting your feeling (wrongly) out there into the public domain AS a beautiful child missing? P
My feelings on this issue have not changed. I wish Maddy were home and she were safe. Her parents, regardless of how bad they feel, still acted negligently. I feel badly for her sister and brother... how do you explain a missing child to them?

Anonymous said...

Yeah but meanwhile BLACK Stepha Henry in the US gets no press time and neither did Ryla from Miami/Dade County, Florida.
I am tired of the media's obsession with missing little white girls and dead white women. So one dies are we all supposed to take a moment of silence and CRY? Well, boo hoo. And hiss as well to her foolish parents. With graduate degrees in medicine I would expect more common sense which apparently is not so common.

Every time a white child or woman goes missing does not mean that we all give a damn. I call it the Princess Diana phenomenon and you can quote me. I said it. Princess Diana Phenomenon. From Nicole Brown on...to that whorish tramp in Aruba. As soon as they found out she was drunk and had slept with many who apparently were much darker in skin tone the fetish with Aruba Whore ended.

So what? China is still taking over.

katie said...

Hi
I'm from England. I didn't read all of the comments so I don't know if I've got anything wrong. If I have I'm sorry and please correct me.
I think that It was definatly wrong for the parents to leave children that young alone for so long, I know that I wasn't left alone at all untill I was nearly 14. Plus, I know that even if I was over 14 I wouldn't be left alone abroad for more than a couple of minutes. So yes I think it was wrong, and yes it does annoy me that it could of been prevented and that it shouldn't of been alowed to happen and I can understand your veiws in the blogg and entrys that the Parents contributed to it.
But I think that maybe, I'm not sure, but I don't think this an iscolated incident. From what I've heard, lots of people and young children go missing everyday and this has just happened to make the news and it is wrong that it happens. But talking and crisicising here will not help, though I can see how it would bring it to light for other parents to not make the same mistake.
However the past cannot be changed and it has happened, I think now that it has come to light other parents will not make the same mistake, and now we have figured where they have gone wrong, but they are going through a lot of emotional traumer. So yes some things seem weird and staged but they have been thrown under the spotlight when they are upset and have made a HUGE mistake, don't you think just the fact that the media are all over them would make anyone unstable. The only thing anyone can do now is to look to the future, I don't think critisising the past is going to help at all now. but thats just me...
p.s sorry about all the spelling errors