Sunday, April 22, 2007

Another Troll! Does anyone have a sharp, pointy stick?

It seems that I have a new troll... his/her name is b.hammond. Of course, he/she starts out with the obligatory;
This website isn't even remotely witty. You are not smart. You are just bringing up the same atheist arguments. What you need is a good course on religion. You don't understand God and the love he has for you. "
And, then... moves on to personal attacks against my possums;
Possum #1 seems like an annoying know it all. She may be smart in worldly ways and topics, but my daughter could teach her a thing about morality and charity. My DAUGHTER would love to spend an hour with your daughter and I bet she'd win. She's win your daughters soul. You've put Possum1 on a pedestal and she needs a fall.Possum#2 why do you avoid talking about his accomplishment? You don't like him very much or is he just stupid? Your third child seems like a brat. Your myspace shows pictures of her and it's ironic that you call her a monkey. What an evolutionist concept. I would never call my child a monkey. They are blessings and your poor daughter is labeled an animal."
But, but... he/she forgot a possum!! If you're going to troll, at least do the research.
What is it with theist trolls getting bent out of shape when I refer to my children as possums or monkeys? It's called a "term of endearment".
And, just for the record... here's the myspace with the offensive picture:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=26872032
LOOK AT THE MONKEY! ;)

So, then... we have the obligatory quasi-threat;
Do not dismiss me. I am not joking. These are serious issues. Your parenting is in question here. "
Yes. Parenting is a serious business. I agree. The troll then does some lame-ass commentary on how my kids are going to hell (how very passe') and how my atheism will condemn them to darkness...blah, blah, blah.
Then...just when I was getting bored...there was this;
You criticize Becky Fisher for child abuse but you are doing the same thing by making your children fear theists and embrace atheism. Would the NonProphets care for your children if you died? I didn't think so. No, it would be our Christian brothers and sisters who would. Would Matt and Tracie take care of your children? You've said you are sick. Who will want your heathen children? Who will want such stains in their home?
ROFLOL!!
Ok. I'll admit that, as Matt pointed out when I told him about this post, there may be churches that do take in the children of members. However, generally, when parents die, children go to family members. Mr. Possum and I have made wills/trusts/arrangements that ensure our children will be well taken care of. And, although those plans do not include the Non-Prophets or, specifically, Matt or Tracie... I don't doubt that if someone's kids DID need a home, that any of the atheists mentioned would be like, "Hell no! Screw that kid!" For the record, I've never met Tracie. I'm sure she's lovely! I've seen her on AE and think she's wonderful. But, I don't know her. So...no, I doubt she would step-up and raise my kids. I do have a friendship with Matt... but, I hardly think he's ready to be a single father of four...not to mention the fact that my kids have never met him. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS THING CALLED "FAMILY!" When did Churches become substitutes for family?

Well...so, that was posted on Friday or Saturday.
Then, today...we have this from the same troll.
Patty. I have been blessed with God's heavenly gift of dissernement. The falsety of Possummomma's parental skills is obvious to those who God has blessed with dissernement. She talks about her family like they are above Christ and God and the Spirit. My children know that we serve a higher power and Possummommas will serve themselves. Her daughter might serve the world in worldly ways but she will be spiritually destitute and negative."
LOL!! Yep. My kids are just selfish little beasts. *rolls eyes*
Now...here's my favorite comment.
Richard Dawson wrote that God Delusion book and talked about child abuse. Keeping your children from GOd is the most abusive act a parent might perform and you are celebrating it in this blog. What will you do when Possummomma goes to HELL. She is not getting her kids ready for this world and the Christians who will be the saviors of her children."
Survey says? WRONG!!
Richard DAWKINS wrote "The God Delusion".
Richard Dawson hosted the Family Feud in the 1970's and 80's. Just a slight difference, there.
Fun, fun, fun.

96 comments:

BigHeathenMike said...

Richard Dawson! Ha! Ah man, nothing like an ignorant troll to make the weekend roll by a little nicer. Hope this one takes the hint and leaves - or at least keeps giving you good cannon fodder for the blog!

pinklotus said...

Hi PMomma, long time reader, delurking to engage in more eyerolling - and I am sure I can come up with a stick ... *poke*. I get rather 'het up' when reading these trolls, my day would be far more cheery without them (though maybe less entertaining ...)

I guess the thing that I don't get about these devout people is that they seem so passionate about their belief and so determined to make sure everyone believes it too. As if they have a deep-seated insecurity about its actual power, God's actual power to influence. Why resort to scare tactics?

I mean, there are people in the world (like us) who don't accept these crazy religious beliefs, who reject them completely or just plain don't give a damn about them and have no interest - and it makes the devout folk go completely mental! I've had a look, not my cup of tea, not enough evidence, not interested. I am free to reject the concept of God - get over it, people!!

I fear that belief in any of the mainstream religions, like Christianity, are really rather childlike and 'base' - and their more devout followers have a nasty habit of acting like spoiled children or, at worst, psychopaths.

I still don't truly understand this adherence to a book, a bible, that has so much intrinsically wrong with it on so many levels. You can find much better moral guidance in the self-help section of the library! Anyways, sorry bout the rant. Feeling better already.

Jacob said...

I like your tact, Possummomma. Usually idiotic trolls go ignored in the hope that they will go away, which works some of the time but not all of the time. Good on you for exposing this troll like that.

Questioning a person's parenting skills over the internet and basing your accusations on the fact that the person doesn't believe in the same things they do is so stereotypical of these evangelical Christian types.

Love the blog, btw.

David W. said...

You're taking it VERY well, PM. I don't understand how these people can lecture about God's love, and then spout hate and threats.

It's sad, really, that these people are so insecure with themselves that they must cling so tightly to the God security blanket.

My wife used to work at a children's museum, and frequently got ranted at by the mothers. She recognized immediately that the problem was that these women had so little control at home, they felt the need to shout at anyone they could just to feel a little control. I think it's the same thing with these hurtful theists. They must feel so little happiness in life, to be projecting these feelings to strangers.

Calladus said...

Oh man, do you mean that this signature in "The God Delusion" isn't valid? After all the arguing I had to go through to get Mr. Dawson to sign it...

(sigh)

Atheist in a mini van. said...

After all the arguing I had to go through to get Mr. Dawson to sign it...

WOW!! You managed to get a dead guy to sign your book?!?! LOL You must be very persuasive. ;)

Kathryn said...
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Milo Johnson said...

Apparently religion isn't a substitute for a good spellchecker...

Kathryn said...

How come all these trolls can't spell?

:)

Thanks for exposing another illiterate theist. They seem to be in great abundance. I saw one recently use the word "hoodspa" for chutzpah. I about fell outta my chair laughing. What is that, a cover for your spa????

Sorry I had to delete the first one, as I had a typo. Doh.

Chakolate said...

Just my $.02, but it's a mistake to pay attention to trolls. Once you have determined troll status, delete and block, then ignore.

Xzanron said...

As far as I'm concerned the measure of your success is the number of trolls you have :P

Just look at Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and the number of trolls that have published "rebuttals" of their books.

(Okay, so that's not strictly how a troll is defined, but it's how I think of them)

As to monkey... I've heard enough religious people call their kids pumpkins. Unlike pumpkins monkeys are incredible; they are social animals, they can climb, use tools, learn sign language. Pumpkins just sit there and look orange.

As an ex-child, I can tell you that I'd rather be called a monkey than a vegetable.

lawyer/scientist said...

delurking for a moment to point out that it is 'discernment', not 'dissernement'. guess they don't teach spelling in bible school!
i doubt you need my opinion but your children seem amazing...good for you for laughing off attacks on your parenting skills!
sometimes religious folk remind me of machiavelli - if you can't inspire love in those you rule, then get them to obey you out of fear. so, if we can't be inspired to love god (really, after all the crap that goes on in the world, why would we?), then we should at least be taught to be afraid of him/it/whatever, so we won't break the rules. blech.

Paul said...

[silentsanta, NZ]
sometimes religious folk remind me of machiavelli

I wish that wasn't such an illuminating analogy, but it rings true for a reason; the science of control was understood by some groups many generations before Machiavelli took quill to paper.

p.s. Possumomma your kids rock. To borrow an inappropriate term, what a miracle to have someone raise these kids with the courageousness and decency to provide them with an environment based on understanding instead of fear. Obviously this appears threatening to Ms. Hammond, who -I'd wager- hasn't had the privilege herself.

To b.hammond:
I'm sure you're very pleased with yourself as a parent. I see you take your responsibility very seriously, and you wish to bring up your children as decent folk. I wonder if they would support you making venomous attacks on children much like themselves, 'stains' you called them, whose supposed crime is simply following fewer or different beliefs than yours. How do you sleep at night? You'll have to forgive me for perceiving your lashing out as a childish reaction to having your beliefs well and truly shaken by this fantastic woman who loves her children very much and yet somehow doesn't need God as a crutch to do so.
It's almost as if.. dear God, there's a whole world out there where most people aren't Christian! And they love their kids! How terrifying for you.

Tone said...

Richard Dawson...ha ha ha ha ha! I needed a good laugh this morning. I wouldn't have taken much Richard Dawson said seriously, if you ever watched the show he was drunk most of the time. Ha ha ha ha!!!

Now as for abuse of children it seems much more abusive to raise children in an environment of fear from something they have no control over. I have a post over at my site about a coworker/friend of mine whose husband recently died and who told us one day last week how her 11 year old son came up to her and told her that he must be a bad kid because god is punishing him by taking away his dad. UGH if that isn't abuse I don't know what is. When I came back from walking away before I said something vile she was saying how she explained to him that god isn't vengeful. Obviously another christian who has never read the old testament.

alisonM said...

Gee, I wonder who's going to take in all the Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Muslim, ummm. . .I never memorized that whole list of the 1000-plus religions practiced around the world. I just know that a while bunch of them don't worship the Abrahamic god, so I don't know why atheist kids would be singled out. After all, all those other non-Xtians are headed to hell, too. Or is it purgatory? Limbo? Do they even have souls? Gosheroonies, it's so hard to keep up.

I think perhaps that the problem is that we atheist parents are raising our children to be critical thinkers. That, apparently, is the most immoral teaching of all to these fundie trolls. My daughter's idea of buying an island and starting a commune of only people she likes sounds better all the tim.

shaun said...

Sounds like a plain ol' jealous screed with some projection thrown in for good measure.

I can only hope my daughter (now 7 months old - they grow up so fast) grows to be as intelligent, thoughtful and motivated as your possums, P-Momma!

Vincent said...

Maybe I missed something, but wouldn't everybody but Moses and Elijah etc. be a "non-prophet"?
And is "dissernment" when you are insulting the European Sea Eagle? (a.k.a. the erne).

Actually, I googled the word "dissernment" and I think every hit that came up was a Christian talking about how they came to find god. Maybe the Erne is the Devil and by dissing the erne you find god?

Anyway, the troll sounds about 15 years old.

Vincent said...

Oh, one more thing.
Don't forget the wonderful role Mr. Dawson played on Hogan's Heroes!

Taylor (stagccva) said...

Well wonders will just never cease, will they??? Another crazy ass Christian crawls out of the woodwork, with nothing better to do than worry about your life and your parenting skills. Whatever! If I'm reading the comments right, and I'm pretty certain I am -- s/he appears to be spreading a hell of alot more Christian hatred than Christian love.

Which is where I began to get a little lost in the whole religion twilight zone. How is it that something that fills a person with such rage, hypocrisy, fondness for name calling, and inability to get the facts straight is supposed to be something that inspires others? I don't want to be a vapid moron - thus I don't believe in this nonsense!

Oh, and I'll take the possums!

Andrew said...

...sometimes religious folk remind me of machiavelli.

I wish that wasn't such an illuminating analogy, but it rings true for a reason; the science of control was understood by some groups many generations before Machiavelli took quill to paper.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
-- Seneca (ca. 5 BCE to CE 65)

Matt D. said...

The troll is making a comment about the lack of community and the lack of compassion that she expects to find among atheists. She's bought into the stereotype and prejudged atheists based on what she's been spoon-fed from the pulpit.

Despite her imagination, there is compassion and community among non-theists.

Yes, I'd take care of PMomma's kids if it came down to that. I would, of course, be at the bottom of the list. We typically start with close relatives and begin branching out. But, if we were pretty sure that I was the best/preferred option out of all of the available options - I'd do it.

The thing that might surprise the troll is that I'd also do my best to make sure that her kids were taken care of in a similar situation. Why? Because that's what decent human beings do. Religion is irrelevant.

I don't think either situation is likely, but to imagine that I'm some cold monster who wouldn't help out orphans is just silly.

Linda said...

I grew up in a Christian family, and my parents always called me a monkey. To me, calling a little kid a monkey is a term of endearment. Kids are wonderfully mischievous and curious, and they're always climbing all over the place, exploring and making use of their limitless energy.. sounds like a lot of monkey business to me, even without any implication about evolutionary history.

Trolls are so silly. I almost hope this one sticks around to keep us laughing.

Ben said...

Christians are equally at risk of sending their children to hell as atheists are:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/heaven.html
"The End of Pascal's Wager: Only Nontheists Go to Heaven"

Steve said...

Those people should just mind their own business. How you live your life and raise you kids has nothing to do with them. Calling oneself a Christian doesn't give you special authority over everyone else, especially those who don't follow your religion.

b. hammond said...

Possummomma. I see that you didn't address my comments about your children so they must have struck a cord with you. For our homeschooling lesson today, we looked at your blog and read selections. My daughter said that your daughter sounds like the kids who chased her out of public school. Obnoxious and loud. Dismissing people with morals and religion to enjoy the flesh.

I think calling children by animal names is part of the culture of death that degrades children.

So you have four kids instead of three. I have five children.

Matt, I have watched you on your television show and I wouldn't leave a dog with an atheist. Your ego is large for the devil.


Jacob, possummomma has given us enough to judge ehr parenting. She lets her children choose whatever they want to read. She has told them all about sex. They're taught by example to mock Godly people.


Paul (silent santa), my kids have read my words here and cheered me as I wrote them. My Molly looked at possum#1 and said she looked like all the girls at shcool who teased her for not wanting to study what the world calls science. My children are pure of heart and soul. Jealousy needs desire. I have no desire to be possummomma.

Taylor, sometime love is hate. We have to be passionate about God.

Steve I have been given authority by God.

Rev. BigDumbChimp said...

b.hammond

Humility isn't a strong point of yours is it? I wonder what the baby Jesus would say about that. I bet it would make him sad.

Why do you want to make the baby Jesus cry?

Dismissing people with morals and religion to enjoy the flesh.

The more you post the more your "morals" are being exposed for what they are.. self righteous finger pointing and name calling. Your not holding up the ideals of your sky daddy very well are you?

I can hear the baby Jesus wimpering in the corner.

Rev. BigDumbChimp said...

Paul (silent santa), my kids have read my words here and cheered me as I wrote them. My Molly looked at possum#1 and said she looked like all the girls at shcool who teased her for not wanting to study what the world calls science. My children are pure of heart and soul. Jealousy needs desire. I have no desire to be possummomma.

Sounds like you are the one with the parenting issues, keeping your kids from being taught proper subject matter in school. I feel sorry for your kids future without a good education in science (and I can assume other subjects as well) because of you imposing your willful ignorance on them.

Rev. BigDumbChimp said...

Ok one more.

Taylor, sometime love is hate. We have to be passionate about God.

Do you attend the Westboro baptist Church?

aiabx said...

Sad, sad, sad.
I have a question though. If I call my daughter a pumpkin, is that part of the culture of death? Or bunny? They can't complain about my use of an Easter symbol, can they?

I feel bad for the troll's kids, though. They were sent off to school full of lies and nonsense, and they feel all rejected when they were laughed at. Well, I'm not laughing at them. I'm weeping for their small, poisoned, hate-filled minds.

Allyson said...

b.hammond--

I grew up in a predominantly Christian town, and the Christian kids almost drove me out of public school because I wasn't a Christian. They tormented me, they were mean to me, because I did not happen to follow their beliefs. There was no love coming from them, and they weren't trying to convert me; they were making me feel bad for being different. Middle and high school were terrible, sad experiences for me. Regardless of what experiences your daughter had at school, guess what? Christian kids don't treat "outsiders" any more respectfully.

aimee said...

"Possum#2 why do you avoid talking about his accomplishment"?

Had this troll really, I mean really read your blog, she would have seen your post about "P#2 got an academic and attitude
"excellence" award from the School Board".

..."Possum #1 seems like an annoying know it all. She may be smart in worldly ways and topics, but my daughter could teach her a thing about morality and charity. My DAUGHTER would love to spend an hour with your daughter and I bet she'd win".

Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong here, but that is exactly what you are making your daughter out to be, a know it all, except with an attitude like that, how can you dare use the word morality and keep a straight face? You don't know the first thing about morals spewing that kind of hate.

"Your myspace shows pictures of her and it's ironic that you call her a monkey".

Oh for fuck's sake, grow the hell up would you. My brother in law, who is a preacher and probably more christian than you could ever hope to be still goes by his childhood nickname of Monkey. In fact to my kids he is Uncle Monkey. One of my sons' nickname is Lemur (which is a monkey, and a damn cute one at that)because of the big brown eyes, like my son has. Not everything is laced with an evolutionanry or anti-religious undertone like you want to believe.

I think it's great that she has had her kids read your blog, for once they are getting a real lesson instead of all the bullshit she is feeding them at home.

It is people like this that make me wary of homeschooling my kids. I don't want to be lumped into this category of crazy ass religious parents that are afraid of science and (sex) health education, and have their little bible prayer and christian flag prayer and crap.

I feel sorry for the trolls kids. Who gives a rats ass that you have 5 kids, you can reproduce, doesn't mean you should.

anonomouse said...

b. hammond said...

Possummomma. I see that you didn't address my comments about your children so they must have struck a cord with you.


No, its because you don't take a comedian seriously.

And that is the funniest thing you said Hammond. You should start your own comedy show.

Saurian200 said...

b.hammond,

Before complaining about anyone else's parentening take a look at what YOU wrote:

Possum #1 seems like an annoying know it all. She may be smart in worldly ways and topics, but my daughter could teach her a thing about morality and charity. My DAUGHTER would love to spend an hour with your daughter and I bet she'd win. She's win your daughters soul.

Your daughter is a person, not a rooster in a cockfight. Your treating your daughter like one of the Pokemon from those videogames. Going out and finding other kids and having your children fight them? How is that good parenting?

I'm sure your being faceteous. I don't think that you would actually have your child do that, but that you would say it at all is very disrespectful of your children.

When I look at your writings, you appear to view your children as nothing more than tools for you to reach your goals. For instance:

For our homeschooling lesson today, we looked at your blog and read selections. My daughter said that your daughter sounds like the kids who chased her out of public school. Obnoxious and loud. Dismissing people with morals and religion to enjoy the flesh.

How is forcing your daughter to read the blog of dsomeone you don't like, just so they will reinforce YOUR prejudices beneficial to her.

It isn't. It's only beneficial to you because it makes you feel good about yourself. Just like your, "My daughter can beat up your daughter," rant quoted above.

Honestly I do believe that is a major problem present in your writings. You are using everyone in order to prop up your own ego.

What else can I make of this:

I see that you didn't address my comments about your children so they must have struck a cord with you.

1) Yes, she did address them as have many others.

2) Even if she hadn't, you aren't psychic. You can't pretend to know why she hadn't adressed them.

Maybe she didn't read them. Maybe she didn't think them worth responding to in the first place.

But, the explanation you came up with and latched on to was the one that most complimented you own ego. She didn't answer everything I wrote to MY satisfaction, well I must just be too much for her.

What you are doing to P-momma and to your daughter is nothing more than mental masterbation. It's designed to make you feel good and nothing else.

Before you complain about anyone elses parenting, you should start vewing you daughter as a person instead of just means to an end. You should be proud of HER for her accomplisments, not yourself for what it says about you.

Instead of complaining about Matt's or anyone elses ego, take a long hard look in the mirror and think about your own.

If you actually want to talk in a productive manner than lose the attitude, get over yourself and atually talk. Talk in a grown-up, civil fasion and we'll be happy to talk to you in a grown-up, civil manner.

But if you're just here to rant and pretend you're a noble martyr then you just aren't worth spending ny time on.

You aren't that important to us. Don't complain, just learn to deal with it.

Matt D. said...

Matt, I have watched you on your television show and I wouldn't leave a dog with an atheist. Your ego is large for the devil.

At least you're watching...keep watching, maybe someday something will click and you'll free your mind from the divisive, immoral dogma that allows you to spew hatred and encourage your children to cheer while you do it.

Why aren't you treating us with love and kindness? Why aren't you working to fulfill your obligation to give reason for the hope that is within you? Why are you teaching your children to hate? Why aren't you emulating your beloved savior?

You're the sort of Christian that gives the rest of them a bad name. Everything you say demonstrates that you not only don't understand the theology you profess, you don't care to. You wield Christianity as some sort of weapon - a weapon which has no edge, yet demonstrates your character clearly.

"By their fruit you will recognize them" (Matt 7:20) - your fruits are crystal clear. You have your own special version of Christianity...you are your own god, but you pretend otherwise.

I knew many people like you when I believed. You fill the churches, dressed in your Sunday best, smiling and singing, feeling so special that you freely condescend to non-believers. Your pride and arrogance are clear.

Evidently you skipped Phillipians 2:3 where you are instructed to be humble and consider others better than yourself. Clearly you haven't read Colosians 3:12 which instructs you to be compassionate, kind, humble, gentle and patient.

Titus 3:2 tells you to slander no one, but be peaceful and demonstrate humility to everyone - your refusal to follow these simple instructions demonstrates that you are your own authority, and a particularly nasty one.

I realize that the Bible is the "Big Book of Multiple Choice" - I just wish that you'd chose some verses that didn't make you look like such a hypocritical ass.

Earlier you claimed to have the gift of discernment. I have experience with other people who claim to be Christians and claim to have this gift. They are all obviously deluded. They see what they want to see and they have no clue how transparent their posturings are.

I see through you. I see the anger, the fear, the cowardice. I see the pride and all of the other pollutants that you're desperately trying to cover up with a security blanket called Christianity.

You may have fooled yourself, but you can't fool me - I've known too many people like you. I've seen your fruits and they are rotten to the core.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Possummomma. I see that you didn't address my comments about your children so they must have struck a cord with you.
No. They didn't even strike a chord with me...ok...maybe a humorous chord, but not much else. I didn't respond to some of your commentary because you're being juvenile. I don't encourage my children to engage in battle, for souls or other spoils!

For our homeschooling lesson today, we looked at your blog and read selections. My daughter said that your daughter sounds like the kids who chased her out of public school. Obnoxious and loud. Dismissing people with morals and religion to enjoy the flesh.
If you really did assign your children passages of my blog, then I hope they learned something.

Your comments about P#1 are childish. You don't know my daughter(s). You don't know my children. If you did, you'd know that P#1 is one of the most genuine, sympathetic, empathetic, and quiet of girls. She IS very bright,...but, she also possesses a genuine humility and tact that, sadly, you don't appear to understand.


I think calling children by animal names is part of the culture of death that degrades children.
You think cute names for family members is part of the "Culture of Death" (whateverthefuckthatis?). Sucks to be you.

Paul said...

I quickly scanned the comment thread, and may have missed it, but it seems to me that no one has commented on Mrs. Opossum's error.

Richard Dawson is not dead. Sure, his career is, but Mr. Dawson is still trodding down the daisies, rather than pushing them up. I am not sure where or when that rumour started - it is very commonly repeated - but it is not true.

Carlie said...

I don't see how on earth he can look at such lovely pictures and decide that you're all deluded and evil and need "knocked down" off your "pedestal".

He is so egotistical I wonder how his shirts manage to fit over his swollen head. Ugh. I hope he gets bored and stops emailing you soon.

Kathy said...

OMG, she homeschools. Please PMomma, even though she fits the stereotype, don't judge homeschoolers based on people like her.

There are plenty of us who are non-theists, and we're finally starting to speak up and make ourselves known. One of the pioneers of homeschooling (John Holt) was a secular humanist. The religious right stole the spotlight, but they don't represent homeschoolers in general.

I homeschool and teach my child evolution as fact. A typical day in our homeschool has my son asking "Why do people think god is real?"

Allison said...

Kathy,
I homeschool and teach my child evolution as fact. A typical day in our homeschool has my son asking "Why do people think god is real?"

Oh, I love reading about homeschoolers like you. If my daughter weren't such an extreme extrovert (already at 2-1/2), I'd seriously consider it! Hmmm...who knows?

P-Mama, your possums are sweetness and light incarnate. Seriously, what a gorgeous group of kids! And, as we all know, they're smart, to boot.

Okay, wandering away now, wondering if the cantankerous Mr. Dawkins kisses all the young girls at his book signings...

Jacob said...

Jacob, possummomma has given us enough to judge ehr parenting. She lets her children choose whatever they want to read. She has told them all about sex. They're taught by example to mock Godly people.

Hammond, posummomma has done nothing of the sort. I enjoy reading her blog because she comes across as a gentle and open minded person who simply doesn't believe in your religion. It has nothing at all to do with hating gods or Christians or anything else.

Lots of people will disagree with you, that doesn't mean that they are wrong or that they hate you.

That she has the confidence in her own children to let them make decisions about what they read and what they do with their lives is commendable. I wish more people, not just religious people, would learn from this example.

And with all due respect, you're the one spending your time reading an atheist's blog and commenting. It can't be that offensive to your delicate Christian sensibilities if you continue to hang around and bug people.

Thanks for the comments and everything, but unless you can come up with anything better than "I have five kids" to support your views, you probably should consider a different forum on which to unload your idiotic ramblings.

JESUS LOVES ME said...
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Atheist in a mini van. said...

Last comment deleted until I can talk to someone.

Virginia aka Ginny said...

I still find it shocking that people actually think this way...if you can call it thinking...

Maggie Rosethorn said...

PMomma...what a horrible mother you must be, to let you kids read whatever they want, tell them about sex, and call them animal names! Wanna bring them over to meet my kids, Pumpkin and BabyMine (yes, I DO call my almost adult children by those names)? Pumpkin is a college freshperson at Virginia Tech and doing very well. BabyMine is looking at private colleges at this time. Both are the sweetest, friendliest persons you'd want to meet or babysit your kids. They have friends, laugh, talk, fight like normal children (OK, I have to dress them differently to hide the horns and tails, being agnostic/atheists, y'know...LOL)

Keep up the good work of mothering you are doing. I'd willingly stand in line to care for your possums is anything happens to you and their father, but figure as a stranger, I'd be miles behind your loving extended family and good friends that you have.

B.Hammond...I feel sorry for you, in your fear of life and letting your children experience all life has to offer. A belief or lack of belief in a god-being doesn't make someone bad or good. You could meet me and my family on the street and never know us; we may have had dinner at your house, sat next to you in an airport or restaurant and you would never know. We are normal, loving people who simply don't believe what you do. Why is that so frightening to you? Do you abuse Buddhists, Hindus, and others who don't believe as you do?

Sorry for the long comment, Pmomma.

alisonm said...

b. hammond seems to spend a lot of time having her kids look at pictures and make judgements based on them. It truly is an amazing talent to be able to create a history and personality from just a photograph (and maybe a few words. The possums aren't major contributors here.) Maybe she'd like to try her hand at this: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo

Carlie said...

OMG - I just realized. I call my children "sweetie pie" and "honey". I'm calling them food! Food! You think being a monkey or generic vegetable is bad, try an obesity causing consumable! I have destroyed them! Sweetie pie is peeeeeeeople!!!!

Or maybe cute names are just cute, and not indicative of overall evil. Nah.

NakedApe (aka Leah) said...

I stop lurking for a few hours and look at all the goodies I missed... These comments deserve a little delurking:

She lets her children choose whatever they want to read.

Oh no a child that is literate and educated through independent thought and study who can think for herself, a fundy's worst nightmare!!

She has told them all about sex.

Hasn't it been well documented that children that are well educated on sex (both the joys as well as the consequences and responsibilities) run a phenominally lower risk of getting STD's, becoming pregnant at a young age or being sexually abused?... Pmomma, how can you deny your beautiful children all that fun by telling them the truth and taking the "forbidden fruit" mystery/temptation out of it??? For shame...

::shakes head and sighs::

Nick said...

OH.YOUR.GOD!
Just so that I don't misrepresent BHammond in the same way she so obliviously does to PMomma, allow me to quote her direct:

"Paul (silent santa), my kids have read my words here and cheered me as I wrote them. My Molly looked at possum#1 and said she looked like all the girls at shcool who teased her for not wanting to study what the world calls science."

Forget for a moment, your JAW-DROPPING ideological conflict with the Scientific Method and how it has enabled the rise of civilization as we know it. Your children cheered as you wrote...uhm, do you have some moral problem with the English Language? Did God come out against grammar?
Syntax? Spelling?!

"...so they must have struck a cord[sic] with you..."

"Matt, I have watched you on your television show and I wouldn't leave a dog with an atheist. Your ego is large for the devil."[sic]
Is Matt THE actual devil? Did you get ahead of yourself and forget the word 'too' somewhere? God hates commas too, but you knew that as well.

"has given us enough to judge ehr parenting. She lets her children choose whatever they want to read. She has told them all about sex. They're taught by example to mock Godly people."
ehr: her. Do you even proofread? It wouldn't be such an issue, except for the fact that you are responsible for your childrens' education. Assuming that one of your goals as an educator is to enable your children to hold a job and support themselves, how do you expect them to get a foothold in any job market, if say their resumes and minds are as ill-conceived and badly executed as your writings? You engage in straw-man arguments, you make ad hominem attacks, and you have a sense of oneupmanship that smacks of a complete lack of mental/social maturity:
"So you have four kids instead of three. I have five children..."
Wow, I never thought reproductive ability could be turned into such a flagrantly childish pissing contest.Five kids, huh? Well, you win, Game over. I guess those of us with no children might as well pack up and go home, 'cause God hates us, huh? Grow up. Seriously, grow the fuck up.

SHE LETS HER CHILDREN CHOOSE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO READ.

BHammond, you are more frightening than any one person I've ever seen on Dateline's To Catch a Predator, because while physical molestation can scar psychologically, its victims have the potential and most likely the support to overcome such hardships and reclaim their lives. But Jesus forbids that your child reads a book with some ideas that are strange to you, alien to you. Because Jesus is the biggest idea, the best idea, and we can't afford him to be competing on the Battlefield of Ideas, can we?
Censorship of the safeground is really what religiousity is all about, isn't it? We can't question your faith, because your faith is stronger than anything we can conceive of. You have the pride of God Almighty, you have the Creator of the Universe at your back. I understand that is like a steroid to the ego, but it should also be a boon to your confidence. One of your five children wants to read a book about Modern Science, another wants to know what this whole Enlightenment Story that gave rise to the Rennaisance was, another wants to know why all the really smart people who studied for years all agree that dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, and that Eden wasn't really like the Flintstones. An intelligent person of faith wouldn't freak and forbid such ideas. An intelligent parent of faith, or without faith, says, "you know what? I have kids with integrity. I want them to LEARN. This book has an idea that I don't agree with, or a concept that is factually questionable? You know what? BRING IT THE FUCK ON! My kids are not pumpkins, vegetables, monkeys, or cowards. They will decide for themselves, they will make up their minds for themselves, because I believe they have the capacity to differentiate between good ideas and bad ones."

The Biggest Irony to me is that the atheist parent, and any good parent otherwise, has confidence in their skills as role models, they BELIEVE in their children. They do not unduly shelter them from reality.

But you, and parents like you: The theists who believe the world is corrupt and God needs you to regulate everthing, to become an all-encompassing Divine Filter for your progeny. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE FAITH IN YOUR OWN CHILDREN! You talk about what the world calls science. Your children cheer your words, not realizing that no employer beams with pride at applicants with your level of literacy. They do so because they know nothing different.

You may have raised your children to live "Godly" lives, but one day they will leave your home, and have to pay bills.

Here's hoping that Ken Ham's Creation Museum can sustain a budget for at least five more tour guides.

Autonomous said...

Someone's god, PMomma! You let your kids read what they want? Are you nuts? They might use their natural curiosity to learn on their own! They might learn to use their imaginations! We can't have that!

George said...

Have you seen the O'Reilly vs. Dawkins? It was a surprisingly good and respectful interview on both sides.

As for the troll, they have made clear that they prefer myths without evidence over actual reason. Completely delusional.

Vincent said...

It saddens me that someone who homeschools her children is such a bad speller.

That or for some reason she likes to beat on piles of wood (cords) instead of listening to familiar musical sounds (chords).
- that's just one of many examples.

But while I'm on the annoying track or checking spelling,
Paul,
Pmomma is not Omomma.
Possum: Order:Diprotodontia (native to Australia, NZ)
Opossum: Order:Didelphimorphia (native to North America)

Jacob said...

It saddens me that someone who homeschools her children is such a bad speller.

WORD.

Eamon Knight said...

You definitely have a live one here, PM. The reference to "gift of dissernement" suggests she is a Pentecostal of some kind. As I recall, the Bible is a little vague on what that is, but in practise as we see, it means: "God shares my personal bigotries about other people".

And you teach your kids about sex! The horror! I know that my Baptist friends taught their four kids about sex, and were always pretty comfortable and open about discussing it with them. So not all Christians are as uptight as b.hammond (but then, not all are as bad spellers).

bhammond said...

At least you're watching...keep watching, maybe someday something will click and you'll free your mind from the divisive, immoral dogma that allows you to spew hatred and encourage your children to cheer while you do it.
This is not going to happen.

Why aren't you treating us with love and kindness?
It's the most loving thing I can do to give a sinner God's word.
Why aren't you working to fulfill your obligation to give reason for the hope that is within you? Why are you teaching your children to hate?,
I am teaching my children to be careful about who they give their love to.
Why aren't you emulating your beloved savior?
I am. Our savior was willing to be crucified for his belief in God. As he was, I am.

You're the sort of Christian that gives the rest of them a bad name. Everything you say demonstrates that you not only don't understand the theology you profess, you don't care to. You wield Christianity as some sort of weapon - a weapon which has no edge, yet demonstrates your character clearly.
It's not my weapon to weeld. I am a message bringer. God never promised that no one would get hurt.

"By their fruit you will recognize them" (Matt 7:20) - your fruits are crystal clear. You have your own special version of Christianity...you are your own god, but you pretend otherwise.
On judgement day I will stand tall and be measured. My fruit are my children and my own soul.

I knew many people like you when I believed. You fill the churches, dressed in your Sunday best, smiling and singing, feeling so special that you freely condescend to non-believers. Your pride and arrogance are clear.
It is pride in a gift. God's gift was that we may live. I smile and sing for God's gift. Praise God!

Evidently you skipped Phillipians 2:3 where you are instructed to be humble and consider others better than yourself. Clearly you haven't read Colosians 3:12 which instructs you to be compassionate, kind, humble, gentle and patient.

We are told to be humble TO GOD. We are told not to put ourselves above God.

Titus 3:2 tells you to slander no one, but be peaceful and demonstrate humility to everyone - your refusal to follow these simple instructions demonstrates that you are your own authority, and a particularly nasty one.
I am to be a light on the hilltop. A beacon for those that will see truth. That is the charge I have undertook.

I realize that the Bible is the "Big Book of Multiple Choice" - I just wish that you'd chose some verses that didn't make you look like such a hypocritical ass.
All of God's word is complete and we abide by it all. We glorify his word.

Earlier you claimed to have the gift of discernment. I have experience with other people who claim to be Christians and claim to have this gift. They are all obviously deluded. They see what they want to see and they have no clue how transparent their posturings are.
I see what is before mine eyes.

I see through you. I see the anger, the fear, the cowardice. I see the pride and all of the other pollutants that you're desperately trying to cover up with a security blanket called Christianity.

You may have fooled yourself, but you can't fool me - I've known too many people like you. I've seen your fruits and they are rotten to the core.

5:13 PM

I have seen you, Matt. I have seen you in our paper made out to be a idol. I have seen your show. Your fruits beget only woe. You don't sew good things.

Jesus Loves Me. Does he love you? said...

We have the truth, ladies and gentlemen. Possummomma deletes comments she doesn't like. I left a large comment last night and today it's gone. Funny that all I said was that this family wasn't as great as she says it is. Her children are known to be brats. They treat their "friends" like shit. I know people people! I know people who know this family and this loving mother is wrong. She lies about Jesus and God to her kids.

Saurian200 said...

b. hammond,

Just a few thoughts.

Our savior was willing to be crucified for his belief in God. As he was, I am.

Yeah, intentionally going to someone else's bog and putting down their kids is just like being tortured and crucified by the Romans.

Do you HONESTLY think Jesus would have been pleased by you trying to compare your little argument with P-momma with his execution.

I'm not a Christian but even I thought that comment was insulting to Jesus.

Your fruits beget only woe. You don't sew good things.

And, how is what your doing sewing anything good.

Seriously, I want an honest answer to that, though given your behaivior thus far I doubt I'll get one.

Still, spotlights on you. Instead of complaining about everyone else, tell us why you are such a good person. Explain to us why we should listen to anything you say.

If all you can do is SAY that your just like Jesus then I am less than impressed.

Saurian200 said...

Jesus Loves etc.,

We have the truth, ladies and gentlemen. Possummomma deletes comments she doesn't like. I left a large comment last night and today it's gone. Funny that all I said was that this family wasn't as great as she says it is. Her children are known to be brats. They treat their "friends" like shit. I know people people! I know people who know this family and this loving mother is wrong.

How about a little support for all those accusations. Accusing people of things is easy. Any idiot can do that. Like I said to b. hammond, we're not going to listen to something you say just because you say it.

For instance, you say:

She lies about Jesus and God to her kids.

What did she say that was a lie? How was it wrong? What is correct? All you've got are unfounded accusations and nothing else. Lazy rants like yours don't deserve to be taken seriously. To put it in simpler terms:

Put up or shut up.

Do you think we'll just have "faith" in what you say? You aren't god stop pretending you are?

I'm notincing that it doesn't take much for people who believe in a god to start thinking that they are a god as well.

PM's big sis said...

Hey Jesus Loves Me, would your God want you to behave this way? It's so unchristian of you. WWJD?

Wait until you stand judged before your God for your words. Watch out he'll strike you down for being so judgemental of people you personally don't know. How freaking dare you.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

You should be stoned.

Carlie said...

I am teaching my children to be careful about who they give their love to.
Jesus loved everyone. "As you do to the least of these, so you also do to me."

It's not my weapon to weeld.
I hope you're teaching your children how to use spellcheck.

We are told to be humble TO GOD. We are told not to put ourselves above God.

You are also told to be humble towards others, or do you not remember the entire story wherein Jesus washed the feet of his disciples? Or when he invited those without sin to cast the first stone at the downtrodden woman? Or when he touched lepers who no one else would approach?

That is the charge I have undertook.
Undertaken. I hope you're outsourcing the grammar part of your homeschooling. And no, it's not being petty to point out your spelling and grammar mistakes when you have taken on the responsibility of teaching these subjects to your children and seem to have a bit of a superiority complex about it as well.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

PM's big sis said...
What should we do today, Pinky? ;)

Glad to see you posting here.

Joe said...

"Authority from God" Damn, thanks for the best laugh I've had all day!

P- btw I read your blog on a regular basis. Don't let the trolls get you down, they provide the occasional dose of humor. Sadly, they tend to revert to the same tired endless tape of stuff we've all heard before and discarded.
I'll add that every time I've been stabbed in the back its been by Christians. Good Christians, those who proclaim thier love for Jesus. Watch out for the knife!

Matt D. said...

I am teaching my children to be careful about who they give their love to.

Why? Doesn't your holy book tell you to love everyone? Do I need to start quoting more verses? Doesn't it say to bless those that curse you? Doesn't it say to love your enemy? Clearly, only one of us has bothered to read the book you hold so dear.

It is pride in a gift.

Please show me the verse that says it's ok to be prideful if you're being prideful of a gift. I'm only able to find verses that say you shouldn't be prideful at all...if you've got a verse that exempts you from that rule, I'd love to see it.

The truth is that you don't understand your book and you don't follow it's instructions. That's fine - I just wish you'd stop pretending to follow any of it.

We are told to be humble TO GOD. We are told not to put ourselves above God.

You didn't even go read the verses I referred to, did you? They have nothing to do with humility to God and EVERYTHING to do with humility to your fellow man. There's no room for interpretation here:

Titus 3:2
"...to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men."

You are the worst sort of hypocrite, you practice what you WANT the book to say, instead of what it says. Go, read the verses and you'll find out that you're wrong.

Why is it that I wind up teaching so many "true Christians" what their book really says?

I see what is before mine eyes.

That's not the gift of discernment. Do you know nothing?

I have seen you, Matt. I have seen you in our paper made out to be a idol. I have seen your show. Your fruits beget only woe. You don't sew good things.

It's sow, not sew...I'm not a tailor.

The problem isn't that I don't sow good things, it's that I don't sow the sort of seeds consistent with YOUR beliefs. Your beliefs, however, are immoral and divisive, they foster fear and ignorance. Your particular, hypocritical perversion of those beliefs, even moreso.

I'm encouraging everyone to investigate, to question, to actively seek understanding and the truth. Only lies and liars need to fear investigation.

If you're in Austin, why don't you come down and do your duty - convince me that your claims are true? I'll tell you why you don't, because you're fully aware that only one of us has any understanding of the religion you profess. You've continually demonstrated that it isn't you.

In the years I've been doing this, I have never turned down any opportunity to have a serious theological or philosophical discussion with any believer of any religion. Many folks claim they're willing to sit down and talk - and yet all of them back out.

Perhaps you and I could have a sit-down with your pastor. We could ask him whether or not your conduct here is truly in keeping with your holy book, perhaps he knows the verses that afford you the exceptions you claim - and then you two could present your most convincing evidence and arguments to support that your claims are true.

I'm willing. How could you possibly turn down a golden opportunity to help lead a lost sheep back to the flock?

Martin Wagner said...

Wow, PMomma. You really seem to attract the worst of the worst when it comes to fundie trolls!

Saurian200 said...

Matt,

Why is it that I wind up teaching so many "true Christians" what their book really says?

Oh. Their. God!

Could it be? Could it really be? Do you know what this means?You know so much because you wrote the book.

You're Jesus!

Can I have your autograph Mr. Jesus sir? I've heard that your like, super famous.

Seriously though, the answer is that you've actually read the book. They haven't. Sad but there it is.

On another note I actually did meet Jesus last year at the New York City Comic Con. He was a lot more hispanic than I was expecting.

But, he signed my Batman books so, that was cool. His signature is very fancy but I guess that isn't a suprise. I think I'm going to stop before I go even further off topic.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Wow, PMomma. You really seem to attract the worst of the worst when it comes to fundie trolls!

Oh. You guys only saw the half-of-it, as far as trolling, today. I actually had to delete a comment, not from bhammond, that was WAY out of line.

As for bhammond, she's from your area. LOL I think it's funny that I'm getting ACA opponents as trolls, seeing as I'm not even in Austin. I hope she takes Matt up, on his offer, and calls in to the show or writes in to the podcast.

Natasha Yar-Routh said...

Jesus Loves Me. Does he love you? PMomma does NOT lie to her kids about Jesus and whatever Gods or Goddesses they may come across, she lets then make up their own minds about them. She trusts them to be able to think for themselves, a hallmark of good parenting. Also we all know PMomma occasionally deletes posts, she leaves a nice blank place holder so we know when and where the deleted post was. Given the shrill and venomous tone of this post I'm not surprised she deleted your first post.

I pity b. hammond's kids, by denying them any science education she has condemned them to third class employment as adults. True child abuse alas.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine

Milo Johnson said...

"Given authority by god?"


Fair enough. As soon as you show me his notarized signature on documents demonstrating that you have received said authority, you can claim that. Otherwise you're just another nutball with an imaginary friend.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

The deleted comment was left by Jesus Loves Me, she claims to know our nanny. This person made really hurtful comments about my family and exposed potentially harmful information. Our nanny would like to address this person's comments, but -for my kids sake- I will not dignify her commentary by reposting the comment.

I wanted to give our nanny a chance to explain how this person acquired some of her information... and, because the commentary also pained our nanny in a bad light, I wanted to give Nanny the chance to see it first. I'm posting this to catch everyone up.

Stephanie said...

JESUS LOVES ME:

Apparently you know me. I'm assuming you're referring to me as that person who went on the mission trip recently and work as their nanny/babysitter. Since you claim to be a friend of mine, I'm hoping that you will contact me so that I may give you accurate information into something you clearly have little knowledge about.

After I saw your comment, I started praying...and haven't stopped. Your comments are hurtful to me and false in regards to this family. I feel it is only right to stick up for my second family and publicly say that your information is inaccurate and misconstrued.

Furthermore, I encourage you to re-read the book of love: 1 Corinthians 13, as a reminder of the kind of love Christians are to portray to others.

You clearly do not know this loving, compassionate, selfless mother and family...you clearly do not know the support I got from her in regards to my mission trip and standing up for what I believe in (regardless of if it's different from what she believes in)...you clearly do not know these precious gifts from God of children that she has, and I'm utterly disgusted that you would even attempt to make an argument against something as juvenile as how they "treat their friends" in your last post...you clearly are speaking out of pure ignorance.

I would hope that, if you do know me and claim to be my friend, that you would contact me and talk to me about this. You may NOT claim that you know me and say the things you did in the same sentence. You clearly don't know me, otherwise you would know how much I love this family- especially this mother. I hope and pray that I have 1/4 of her character, integrity and selflessness when I become a mother someday.

So please, contact me via email asap. (Gammygirl9@aol.com)

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails." -1 Corinthians 13:4-8

I can honestly say..I love this family.
Stephanie

Anonomouse said...

That hammond troll is pretty darn funny.

(cue the Cartman Voice)

Respect my Authority!!!


You shouldn't talk to these people, you should only laugh at them.

Lorenzo said...

Five children B.Hammond has... Five... Five human beings condemned to live their lives in a stupor of dogma, delusion and ignorance...

Damn, you've got to laugh, haven't you?

Radix2 said...

Don't you just love how these nutcases speak in 1612 vernacular to try to lend some authority to their words?

"Mine eyes"

"It's not my weapon to weeld" LOL - and this person is teaching her children? Do they "yeeld" to her I wonder, or do they yield, but only when she wields her god given authority?

Normally I wouldn't single out someone who makes a single mistake in spelling, but she claims God's guidance! Clearly, He has never heard of a spell checker. Probably missed the upgrade from stone too.

Taylor said...

Well, for the record, we call our daughter Chicken Little, and always have. She seems just fine with it.

And B. Hammond, you must be confused. Love is NEVER hate. It is honesty, compassion, giving, caring, tolerance...all things you obviously know nothing about. I almost feel sorry for you, but then I remember that you have chosen this life of ignorance and hatred. Which is fine for a personal decision, but you shouldn't subject your innocent children to it. The world needs less bitternes, ignorance, and intolerance - not more.

Summer Squirrel said...

I cringe whenever I read one of Pmomma's trolls. These people, as Matt pointed out, are so out of touch with reality and with their own religious handbook. They are in desperate need of an open mind and some humility. Love? I see no love there. I feel sorry for those 5 children as well.

Andrew said...

Martin said:
Wow, PMomma. You really seem to attract the worst of the worst when it comes to fundie trolls!

It’s because she doesn’t fit Christian’s comfortable atheist stereotype. She honestly confounds them, and people are generally frightened of things they do not understand.


As for B. Hammond, why is it that 95% of all Christians who like to “duke it out” with atheists are illiterate? I was raised a Christian, and I can spell.

Hammond cracks me up to the point that I have become suspicious of her story. It seems highly possible she is some kid who gets his jollies trolling in the blogosphere.

But if she is real, I would ask her a question. I interpreted your statements about your daughter to mean that you started her home schooling because she wasn’t getting along with her classmates. I have to ask how pulling her out of school and essentially telling her it is OK to run away and hide in your home is going to teach her anything about life?
You know… most kids get picked on in school at one time or another. It is just the way kids are. But pulling kids out of that situation does not teach them how to deal with it. Yeah, it sucks and it’s hard to watch your kids go through it, but it’s a sad fact of life for most kids. Pulling your daughter out of school will only make her anti-social. Look how she judged Pmomma’s daughter from only a photo! Her words are so judgmental and hateful. That is not the kind of attitude that pushes people to succeed. It pushes them to hate and resent, and those people end up going through life blaming their problems on everyone but themselves. But maybe you don’t care. Maybe you think your daughter’s role in life is to be in the kitchen and with her children…

Queen Pickle said...

Didn't Richard Dawson play the game show host in The Running Man?

B Hammond: From one homeschooling mother to another: YIKES!!! People like you give homeschoolers a bad name. My children would be horrified by your illiteracy, and mortified that you labor to pass this on to your children!

As long as you are using PMomma's blog as a homeschooling lesson, perhaps you should include the following vocabulary words: sew, sow, wield, inconsistent, ignorant, uneducated.

It would also behoove your children greatly to start practicing the phrase, "Would you like fries with that?"

another atheist mom said...

Hi Pmomma. I am just delurking to offer support & agreement to most of the other posts (well, not really agreeing with BHammond's posts, but I guess that goes with out saying!).

I check in to your blog when I can, because I find your parenting style so similar to what I hope mine will be as my children get older. Keep up the good work!

I wish I could add to what has already been addressed about this BHammond person, but it has all been said so well.

It really is a sad state of affairs when a person has so little to appreciate in their own life that they feel a need to try to knock someone else's life down. The truly foul way BHammond has of attacking you and yours certainly screams to me of a person who is not in a happy place, and probably not really at peace in her life either. I am sure she see's your strong, well-adjusted and intelligent children as a direct affront to her personally. (Where is a eye rolling thingy when I need it?)

If she/he is who she/he sounds to be, I hope she can find that peace someday.

::shakes head sadly::

Matt D. said...

Dawson was best on Match Game, IMO. I'll still list Paul Lynde's work on Hollywood Squares as the funniest game-show material I've ever seen.

nakedape said...

I have a question that is a lil off topic at this point, but can anyone explain to me the "Culture of Death" reference b.hammond made way back regarding calling kids by animal's names? I don't know if I missed something or if I should dismiss it as crazy talk? Just curious what that is supposed to mean...

Sean the Blogonaut said...

Thanks again for the entertainment Pmomma. I would say something witty but I believe this topic has been exhausted.

Keep up the good fight.

another atheist mom said...

nakedape asked:

I have a question that is a lil off topic at this point, but can anyone explain to me the "Culture of Death" reference b.hammond made way back regarding calling kids by animal's names? I don't know if I missed something or if I should dismiss it as crazy talk? Just curious what that is supposed to mean...

I took this to be a reference to abortion &/or contraception. That is the context in which I have heard this phrase used in the past...

ondfly123 said...

Re: culture of death
(another lurker delurking)

I believe this can also refer to physician assisted suicide, shootings in schools, violent video games, basically the lack of value of life some Christians feel permeates our society and "enables" our members to kill and maim, seemingly without remorse. Of course this does not refer to the ease with which Christians support wars, condemn others to hell, and does not include their own violent video games, such as the Left Behind video games. It also does not include the lack of value put on non-human life, such as treatment of animals or our environment.

Vincent said...

It would make so much more sense to refer to Christianity as a culture of death.
Think about it. Everything they do is centered around what happens when you die. They all want to die on some level because that's where the big prizes are (this goes for Islam too).
Atheists celebrate life because life is all there is. Cherish it.

look_an_atheist said...

For those interested in more info. on the culture of living death, here is an op-ed piece put out by the Ayn Rand Institute on just that topic. Makes for an interesting read when put in that perspective.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr007=jle8wlc9b6.app7a&page=NewsArticle&id=14507&news_iv_ctrl=1021

Proud Dad said...

I've been containing my joy for a few weeks now but have to share. I'm 10 years divorced and my 2 sons are being raised 80% of the time by their Italian mother in the very Catholic home of her parents. Religion was just one of our points of contention.

I've been an athiest ever since I could think for myself. My parents, however, felt that I couldn't make an informed decision without exploring both sides of the issue. I was baptized the weekend before I was confirmed, along with my father, lest we commit a technical foul.
The Lutheran Pastor had us bring water which he blessed to do the deed. I remember the plaid thermos we used. Much to my relief he did it on a Saturday when no one was around.
Since our farm was just a stones throw from the church, Pastor Ward dropped in for a beer at the small gathering after the confirmation. (Canadian, Eh?)

"So...now do you believe?" (He knew why I was attending)
"No, sorry."
"Thanks for giving it a shot."

I was free from that point on.

A few weeks ago, Lucas spoke up in the back of the truck, "I can't believe all my friends fall for that bible story."
I've never even admitted that I'm an athiest, so I sat and listened.
"Nothing in there makes sense. How can they not see all the discrepancies with reality?"

By now, I'm ready to explode!

He did it; he did it on his own; he's free!

To this day, I don't know what my parents believe.
My partner and I don't discuss religion. (Unless I'm boasting about Lucas!)

Matthew, two years Lucas' junior, still crosses himself before meals and I recruit him to say grace when we have company.

He still has time to make his own decisions and I know I have a couple of smart boys.

Lucas has been feeling guilty about standing up and getting confirmed with his classmates in May. I just re-told him my own story and I think I've relieved him of much of the guilt the church places him under.

We joke that Pastor Ward didn't put down his beer to smite me and God has let 30 years pass without striking me with lightening.

But, Nona? Better keep her happy, it's a long life.

She's just happy to see you reading even if it's Darwin's Origin of Life. (a gift, believe it or not, from his Mother)

Elisheva Hannah Levin said...

Well, Possum Mama, you've got a real, live troll.

I have always heard that you should not FEED the troll. But in this case, it's so much fun!

By the way, the "Jesus Loves Me, Does He Love You?" (JLMDHLY) person is a real trip, too. I think I know how s/he would answer that question.LOL. It would not be in a friendly way. But I will answer that question this way.
JLMDHLY: Actually, I am a Jew. So Jesus and I are probably related. Same tribe, you see. At least I'd know what to feed him if he came to my door.

Carlie said...

At least I'd know what to feed him if he came to my door.

Oh, that just make me laugh Diet Coke out my nose. "Hey, Jesus - have a ham sandwich? No? Shrimp cocktail?"

The Abomination said...

Christians are fucked up. This is wraith beliskner. I just set up my own blog. Now can you tell me where I can get some hatemail. I want to argue with some of these people!

Daniel J. said...

Meh, it'll get boring long before they'll stop pestering you.

Jeffrey Boser said...

Why aren't you treating us with love and kindness?

It's the most loving thing I can do to give a sinner God's word.


I have to call this out for the lie it is. The Gospel (lit Good News) is not his judgement, but his love. You are a sinner yourself, b.hammond, and you are not sharing God's word, any more than you are more moral than anybody else (you certainly aren't humble, or child like, both qualities Jesus said you should have).

Jesus said to love God above all, and then to love your neighbor. If you can honestly say that you are treating your neighbor, PMomma here, the same way you are treating Him, then you really need to look at what the word love means.

But I doubt you will listen to Jesus, you don't know what the word love means, when you use it as a rationalization for hurling spite and scorn.

'My child will beat yours', sheesh, do you even listen to yourself?

Lynn's daughter said...

Dontcha just LOVE trolls! They are so much fun. Hey, I always though Possum was a reference to a book. The ya-ya sisterhood maybe?
How come I never get cool trolls like you do? Sniff.

Lynn's Daughter said...

One more comment to b.hammond, et. al: I've been an educator for some years now,and I also work part-time as mental health counselor. As a teacher, I love Christian home-schooled kids. They are polite and well-behaved. hardworking. However, they seem to struggle with critical thinking skills and have difficulty accepting new ideas. I believe it's a disservice to shutter children away from the world; they are frequently pissed at their parents when they suddenly discover all the things that nobody warned them about.
On the other hand. I have three fine children raised in the public school system. One is serving in the US military; the others are busy making their post-graduation plans. They are unique, intellictually curious, and eager to go out and make the world a better place by helping the poor (not by handing out Bibles, but by feeding and sheltering them).
I'm not trying to be mean here, but are you sure that you aren't so unhappy with your own unfulfilled promise that you've lashing out at others who seem to be perfectly content?

Ronni said...

Apparently god didn't bless troll with spelling skill.

At least it hasn't shown up in person (in troll?) to show you the error of your ways.

I'd say gve'em hell, Possummamma, but it will go there anyway, if it believes in it that strongly.

Amy N. said...

1) PM, if it ever really comes down to it, your heathen kids can come live with us. Then they can be heathen AND frolic with GAYS! ::gasp:: :)

2) Yes, our children live in a culture of death. That's why we have 6 billion children and former children on this planet. Considering that most of them are named Mohammed, I think us heathens are doing pretty damn well.

3) I've known PM since she only had 2 possums and have met her family (including the monkey!) on several occasions and I can tell you that every single one of them is lovely! I'd bend over backwards for any one of this pack of possums any day! :)

Anonymous said...

TROLL, noun, often used as an acerbic, puerile, exclamatory insult -- a
knee-jerk _ad hominem_ often employed in a feeble effort to discredit
another poster because one has been flummoxed, proven to be wrong, ignorant
or just congenitally stupid or incompetent.

The knee-jerk _ad hominem_ acerbic, puerile, exclamatory insult TROLL rarely
has any practical effect and can be considered a form of farblondjet,
flustered, frustrated spleen-venting by the person who employs it.

Berlzebub said...

anonymous said...

TROLL, noun, often used as an acerbic, puerile, exclamatory insult -- a
knee-jerk _ad hominem_ often employed in a feeble effort to discredit
another poster because one has been flummoxed, proven to be wrong, ignorant
or just congenitally stupid or incompetent.

The knee-jerk _ad hominem_ acerbic, puerile, exclamatory insult TROLL rarely
has any practical effect and can be considered a form of farblondjet,
flustered, frustrated spleen-venting by the person who employs it.


anonymous, noun;
1) What trolls normally post as, especially when they have nothing to defend their points of view, and just want to hurl unfounded insults and declare victory.

Sorry, P-Momma and little possums, couldn't resist. Besides, I kind of picture P-Momma saying "troll" with a little impish grin, not "farblondjet,
flustered, frustrated spleen-venting". Me thinks the anonymous troll has an inflated sense of self.

-Berlzebub