Sunday, February 25, 2007

What is this blog?

On another forum, a couple of people who claim to be "nice Christians" decided that they were going to flex their collective muscle and take a bunch of out of context comments (made by myself and a friend), to... to do what, I'm not quite sure. I'm very upfront about my atheism. But, their claim was, in short, that this possummomma was being nice to Christians, daily, on the other forum, but that my "true feelings" were betrayed by my comments on this blog and on the Non-Prophet's chat room.

*sigh*
Ok. Let's consider the facts (as us atheists are prone to do).
1. I am nice to Chirstians. I don't have a problem with Christians.
2 I have become, over the last few months, a pretty outspoken, public atheist.
3. When in the company of other atheists, I have made comments which would probaly seem harsh or dismissive of Christianity. Read that: OF CHRISTIANITY.
4. The only time I make personal comments on individual Christians is when they go out of their way to negatively impact my family. At that point, it's "game on!"
5. On the Non-Prophets chats, I stand by everything I've said there. However, those chats are made while listening to the comments of other atheists as they broadcast a phenomenal radio show that highlights the problems with theism and belief.
So, to those now stalking this blog,...just waiting to grab a comment, I say this:
For me, this blog is the equivalent of you going to confession. This blog is my equivalent of going out for coffee with like-minded people. When Christians go to Bible Studies, they study the Bible with the common belief that God exists. When atheists gather or talk, the opposite premise is assumed. And, yes...we often point out the folly of belief, just as there are numerous websites pointing out the "ridiculousness' and 'immorality' of atheism.

The question also came up, and I really hope this person is reading, about the fact that...well, let me quote the person:
"I have not always been a Christian. When I was not, I neither had people telling me I was going to hell, nor did I have people discussing it with me on a daily basis. I lived my life in such a way that my moral were not questioned. I did not have to insist that I was good or anything else. I wonder what prompts this constant barage of being told one is immoral, etc. Certainly was not my experience."

Who knows? Maybe you weren't all that vocal of an atheist? Maybe you didn't bring up your atheism on a daily basis. I do. My morals are not what is in question on this blog. My beliefs are what Christians seem to find objectionable. What prompts this barage? The fact that I call out the faults of Christianity and the problems with theism.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

When are you going to use your illness as an excuse here? It is curious that you never mention your illness in this website. If I was as sick as you claim to be I would be praying for a cure, not talking trash about Christians. If your right when you die your dead. I know I am right and that you are going to hell. God has infinite patience and mercy except for those who speak against him. You have no time for God or respect for Him and he will do unto you what you have done to him. Don't think that just because no one is agreeing with me publicly on splitcoast that you will face any better fate. I'm not the only coaster who thinks you are a hippocrite. How dare you pretend like you respect Christians. You play nice in splitcoast and then dump on us here and in that chatroom. If I were not a Christian I'd call you a two faced bitch. I knew that you would post something here. I just knew it.

CJ said...

What I wonder is why you care about Christians. It's my pet peeve with atheists. I mean, who cares what those people believe. Think of the Sikhs and how they won't cut their hair because ... someone said so. I mean, it's no different from Christians and there are so many religions out there with their wacky ideas. It seems a waste of time to talk about it with them.

That said, if any religious person tried to get that religion into my kid's schools, or into my work place, then I would be right in their face -- polite of course, because while mr anonymous there can be bitchy as all get out, atheists have to be sooo polite.

On your own blog you should talk about what matters to you. That is, you know, the point.

CJ

PS, sorry to hear you are sick! I wouldn't recommend the Christian god to pray to anyway -- Christians are dying in droves of all sorts of illnesses! Hm, the Hindu gods aren't so hot in their save rate and Muslims are even worse. Stick to science and a realization that nature doesn't give a damn about individuals, even though us other humans care deeply.

Paul said...

"If I were not a Christian I'd call you a two faced bitch."

Dear anonymous,

That statement is nothing more than a passive agressive way of calling possummomma a 'two faced bitch.' I guess you're not a Christian after all. (By the way, did you note the correct use of the apostrophe in that sentence?) I guess if you're (there it is again) right, you'll be seeing her in Hell.

I have no idea if you are two-faced, anonymous, but that other thing? Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that...

Atheist in a mini van. said...

What I wonder is why you care about Christians. It's my pet peeve with atheists.

Well, quite simply, the alternative is to pretend they don't exist or ignore them. And, as proven by Anonymous, that's a bit tough to do when they spew their thoughts onto my blog. KWIM? Furthermore, pretending they don't exist would be a ridiculous premise, since they DO exist (unlike their God). They use their paradigm to shape laws and societal norms. When their ideas are based on superstition, instead of truth, then it affects every person in this world. Finally, my problem is not soley with Christians. I have issues with any religious person who ignores fact and reason. Christians, in America, tend to be the most outspoken and biggest contingent of religious people. So, it's only logical that the majority of issues I see rest with the majority.

PS, sorry to hear you are sick!
Thanks.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

When are you going to use your illness as an excuse here?
I don't use my illness as an excuse anywhere. Well, okay...maybe with the DMV...I'm kind of fond of my handicapped plaquard. Now if they'd only find a cure for lupus so that I could go outside and use it.

It is curious that you never mention your illness in this website.
Um...if I did mention my illness, you'd say I was using it as an excuse. So, what the hell?

I'm not the only coaster who thinks you are a hippocrite.
I know I'm over-weight, but calling me a hippo is a bit off sides.

You play nice in splitcoast and then dump on us here and in that chatroom.
I've played nice on SCS for years. I play nice because I am nice. Not to mention the fact that there's a TOS that I try to respect. Here...my blog, my rules. I don't dump on anyone from SCS here, though. It's really not all about you and your friends.

If I were not a Christian I'd call you a two faced bitch.
And, yet...here you are, calling me a two-faced bitch. That must make you an atheist...of just a really passive-agressive Christian. WWJD, indeed?

Cap'n Murkat said...

I always find it funny how religion distorts the majority/minority thing.
If a white person were to say something derogatory about an ethnic minority - it's racism. Everyone, their mother and the family pet is shocked.
If that person were to come back with something equally offensive, then (although still racist), no-one even thinks twice about it.

With religious people, when it comes to critisising the minority - it's accepted. Say anything about them or their imaginery friend...

"anonymous", possummomma has never attacked you personally, so why do you feel the need to? Not very Christian like...
But if you feel you *really* have to, at least have the decency to log in and name yourself!

If we are wrong in our logic and *a* god does exist, surely he would judge us on how we lead our lives, not what we did in his name.

Toni said...

WOW, I have only been visiting in the past few months, lurking mostly commenting occasionally.

I can sympathize with your illness, I am currently going through medical processes to find out if I have Lupus, Rheumatory Arthritis or some fungal spore from Phoenix (don't ask). My Rheumatologist is treating me for RA and Lupus. Perhaps we could start some kind of support group for sickie atheists! (you know... I won't pray for you, you don't pray for me).

As for anonymous... I would love to quote YOUR vice president here but I am better than that. No wait, I'm not and I am on prednisone now which is making me even more mean so..."go fuck yourself!"

Shaun said...

If I were not a Christian I'd call you a two faced bitch.

Huh - well, we certainly know that this person is of questionable moral fiber. After all, if the only thing keeping this person from calling you a bitch is that God says so...

Cogito said...

Well Anonymous, you've certainly proven yourself to have equal amounts of courage, intelligence, and integrity with that post.

I assume the reason PM doesn't blab about atheism all the time on Splitcoast is that it appears to be a forum about stamping. For instruction on actual hypocrisy, please see your own use of preterition, juxtaposed nicely with a declaration of Christian superiority.

As for your final sentiment, well, you appear to have participated in an unprovoked group attack on PM on a public forum. And you are offended because she mentioned it in her personal blog?

Also, please note that I'm not putting you down because you are a Christian. I'm putting you down because you're a rude idiot.

Anonymous said...

I see Renee has found your blog, huh? LOL Like I've said before, it's very easy to "listen" to tone when writing, and hers is very clear.

Sara

Oh, and Renee? You might want to proofread better before you go off on your hysterical, non-sensical, incoherent ramblings.

Leah said...

You have no time for God or respect for Him and he will do unto you what you have done to him.

I kinda like this idea, following logic, you dont believe he exists, if the case is that Mr All-powerful-sky-pixie does exist and he will "do unto you what you have done to him", then he wont believe that you exist and if you dont exist to him then he wont punish you... carte blanche for some athiest mayhem? ::devious chuckle::

PS Sorry to hear about your illness, best wishes.

David said...

"If I were not a Christian I'd call you a two faced bitch."

If I were not a humanist I'd respond that you're a hypocritical ass wipe. Spot the difference?

P.S. "Two faced" is hyphenated, i.e. "two-faced". Just me, or does it seem that theists, as an average, have a lesser grip on grammar? A more cynical person might ascribe that to education and a desire to learn. ;)

Allison said...

Just me, or does it seem that theists, as an average, have a lesser grip on grammar? A more cynical person might ascribe that to education and a desire to learn. ;)

Heh, heh, heh.

I'd say that there's a heavy correlation between bad grammar and theism, and that the lower desire to learn is the causal factor.

After all, those of us who desire to learn eventually read enough that we finally reject theism.

PM, I'm so sorry to hear about the Lupus. The exhaustion must be horrendous -- and yet you're still actively involved with your kids' lives. Good for you.

Allyson said...

I'm sorry, anonymous, but your lack of knowledge about spelling, grammar, and punctuation makes it much more difficult for me to take you seriously. As a writing instructor at the university level, I've really come to appreciate the effect good mechanics can have on one's writing, even on a more causal forum such as a blog.

alisonM said...

It's amazing how that works. Christian groups work to insinuate biblical laws into our secular government, biblical teachings into our public schools, and their own religion into everyone else's lives, and if anyone objects, they are the ones being repressed. If you refuse to adopt their religious rules, they claim that you have no morality, and perhaps even no right to exist, despite the fact that they thought you were just fine until you said "no, thank you" to their offer of salvation. And if you try to get them to understand by, perhaps, asking them how they'd feel if they were living under a hindu government, or their kids were learning from the Quran in school, it flies right over their heads.

cj, the reason that most atheists care about Christians is that it's Christians who are trying to impose their beliefs on us. Buddhists aren't trying to get the eightfold path taught in science class, Muslims aren't the ones who enacted laws that still stand in eight states that prohibit atheists from holding public office, Hindus aren't spending tax dollars to have vedic scripts carved in stone and displayed in public, and NOBODY else is regularly telling us we're wrong, immoral, hateful, and bound for eternal torment. If any other religious group were as aggressively pursuing an American Theocracy, atheists would be opposed to them as well (or instead of!)

Tom Foss said...

There's a feminist blog I read fairly regularly, which deals with the issue of "Minority Spaces" (such as #4 here), those safe spaces that minority groups create where they can be free to talk openly and occasionally rant against potentially oppressive majority groups. The linked page is specifically directed at men from women, but it really works for any minority/majority dynamic.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

The linked page is specifically directed at men from women, but it really works for any minority/majority dynamic.

Interesting.

I guess I should consider myself lucky for finding a non-caveman man to marry. LOL :)

Queen Pickle said...

Anonymous said...
"When are you going to use your illness as an excuse here? It is curious that you never mention your illness in this website. If I was as sick as you claim to be I would be praying for a cure, not talking trash about Christians."

It's just as well you aren't praying for a cure, PM. God is too busy helping Christians find their car keys and piloting bowling balls for kids from Jesus Camp to accomplish anything significant.

Maybe if Christians weren't keeping the Amazing Sky Pixie so busy, there'd be fewer starving, molested, and abused children. Instead, they insist on telling the children that god is 'testing' them.

By the way, anonymous, god called and he wants to see you in his office. He says you are making him look bad.

(Sorry, ignorant people just make me soooo snarky.)

Atheist in a mini van. said...

By the way, anonymous, god called and he wants to see you in his office. He says you are making him look bad.

*snort*

It's just as well you aren't praying for a cure, PM. God is too busy helping Christians find their car keys and piloting bowling balls for kids from Jesus Camp to accomplish anything significant.

Since I've already admitted that I occasionally listen to hip hop, let me just say: "WORD!" Even if I were a believer (and, even when I was), I would find it hard to pray for my own health. Isn't one supposed to be selfless (under a Christian paradigm) and think of others first? I may be ill. But, I have a home. I have four amazing children and a loving, compassionate, gainfully employed husband. We have food. My girls aren't going to be sold into slavery. My children have access to a (sort of) free education. Although there is crime out there, I don't fear strolling around my front yard after dark. I can be pretty confident that, should I need medical attention, I will get it. My children have been immunized against some of the worst illnesses on the face of the earth. Hell...I can even keep this blog and say just about anything I want to say.

All things considered, I'd say that I'm in a rather comfortable position and have very little to bitch about. Any prayers I might offer to a deity, if I believed in a deity, would seem petty in comparrison to the harrowing problems of other people in this world. Maybe that's why I find it so absurd that people DO pray for things like finding their car keys and bowling balls: if you have the means to own a car, then you automatically have it better than a great many people on the face of this earth. Find your own damn car keys.

As for my health...yeah, it sucks. But,...I'm still a lucky individual.

Sean the Blogonaut said...

Anonymous...

You sad individual, if you we worthy of respect you'd no doubt get some.

Considering your post though I suspect your harbouring some deep seated issues.

Did you read the title of the Blog, what did you expect?

Elisheva Hannah Levin said...

Possum Mama,

I have been a lurker here for some weeks.

I am really sorry to hear you have Lupus. I also have Lupus. Not fun, but so far, cancer was worse.

I am also--I have been told--going to hell. Not because I am an athiest but merely because I am a research scientist with in Ecology and Evolution with a Jewish name.

My kids have been told they are going to hell, also. I am rather grateful that hell is like Santa Claus. It's only a problem if you believe in it. (My daughter once told the guy dressed up like Santa Claus at the entrance to Target that she didn't believe in him. Now there's an existential crisis)!

Be well!

Atheist in a mini van. said...

I also have Lupus. Not fun, but so far, cancer was worse.

I'm so sorry to hear this. Everytime I hear someone else has lupus, either here or elsewhere, I donate another dollar to the National Lupus Foundation. I figure that's better than a prayer. ;) So... a dollar for you. *hope* AND you had cancer? Wow. Stop showing off!! ;) *TOTALLY KIDDING AND HOPING YOU DON'T TAKE THAT THE WRONG WAY*

. (My daughter once told the guy dressed up like Santa Claus at the entrance to Target that she didn't believe in him. Now there's an existential crisis)!

Ha ha ha!! That's cute!! Thanks for the laugh. :)