Wednesday, February 14, 2007

If a four year old gets it...

...why can't an adult?

P#3 is four years old. I think it's safe to say that I can find something special in all of my possums. It may be bias or maternal instinct talking, but I truly love their uniqueness and think of them as remarkable individuals. P#3 is just incredibly funny! She's not shown any propensity towards academic greatness (as have P#1 and P#2). She's more "tomboy"-esque and/or rough-and-ready. She's feisty! And, I love her for it.

Anyway... today she brought me a book called "Tacky the Penguin". It's one of our family's all time favorites. It's a salute to non-conformity and trueness to self. :) P#3 loves it. We were lounging here, in all of our flu-ey germiness, reading and giggling. I was asking her what Tacky would do in different situations and she said, very matter-of-factly, "Momma...Tacky is just pretend. Penguins don't wear flower shirts (she means Hawaiian shirts) and dance." I said, "Well, Tacky does! He's a super penguin." Again, she eyed me closely... "Momma. Even d'ough we w'ike him, he's still just pw'etend." (She has a stuffy nose...cut her some grammatical slack!).

I wish more adults would read the Bible in the same way that a four year old reads "Tacky". It's a great story. It's fun. It's sweet. It is worth reading over-and-over. There are even some moral lessons and messages about solidarity as a group. But, the main character...the Great Penguin, is "just pretend."

23 comments:

Milo Johnson said...

So I shouldn't sit up all night in the penguin patch waiting for him to appear?

Atheist in a mini van. said...

So I shouldn't sit up all night in the penguin patch waiting for him to appear?
If you choose to do so, you may. Just don't legislate my world based on the tingling sensation you get from freezing your ass off while waiting. ;)

Ahhhh...thanks for the Charlie Brown reference. I can remember Linus' speech. It always made me laugh. Linus- the first, illustrated evangelical. :)

Russ said...

PMomma,

As on your Hijack thread we can once again see that those wonderful minds of kids really do understand a great deal more than most adults would give them credit for. Much good for many comes from the way you embrace those youthful possum witticisms and revelations. Your possums are so fortunate their momma doesn't discount their insights because "they're only children." You've got to feel good when you witness those events and share them on your blog. And, I know that I for one am uplifted when you share with us those glimpses into Possumland.

Saurian200 said...

...why can't an adult?

Well, sometimes, when a grown adult and an ideology love each other very much...

Sorry to hear there's a flu going around the Possum Patch. Hope all of you start feeling better soon.

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Saurian200 says: Well, sometimes, when a grown adult and an ideology love each other very much...

Hot tea, meet monitor.
Monitor, meet hot tea. ROFLOL.

Geeeez...a full minute later and I'm still giggling. You're good! ;)

Saurian200 says: Sorry to hear there's a flu going around the Possum Patch.
*raises a bottle of Nyquil in recognition of your kind comment*


Russ says:You've got to feel good when you witness those events and share them on your blog.

More commonly, I'm just bowled over by the simplicity of the child's perspective. Adults crap ideas up with semantics and ideologies... kids just say it like it is. I love that! I'm glad that someone else enjoys them. :)

Saurian200 said...

Hot tea, meet monitor.
Monitor, meet hot tea. ROFLOL.


Whoops, sorry. It's bad enough you've got a cold, now your monitor has tea all over it.

*raises a bottle of Nyquil in recognition of your kind comment*

Hear! Hear! Wait, why am I drinking Nyquil?

Adults crap ideas up with semantics and ideologies... kids just say it like it is. I love that! I'm glad that someone else enjoys them. :)

Don't you wish you could just say it like it is, too.

"You think what? That's stupid. I'm gonna go play outside." ;)

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Don't you wish you could just say it like it is, too.

"You think what? That's stupid. I'm gonna go play outside." ;)


More often than you can imagine. ;)

Sean the Blogonaut said...

I remember a quote " It is hard to remove something by logic when it was not placed their by logic in the first place"

This is why Adults find it so hard. They have been indoctinated, the indoctrination reinforced and finally that indoctrination becomes self regulating. The hardest walls to break down are those we construct for ourselves.

But you all knew that. Hope the possum gets better.

David said...

"the Bible ... It's a great story. It's fun. It's sweet."

Huh? I flicked through a few pages for the first time in almost thirty years, just out of curiosity, and found murder, barbarity and plain old lunacy.

Guess you're referring to other pages?

Natalie said...

:D I love how kids see the world. I was always so thankful that my dad treated me like you do your children... he saw me as a being fully able to think and learn. I learned so much from him.

I'm new around here, btw. :) Lifelong athiest.

Alyx said...

Ironic that Jesus is quoted as saying we should all become "like little children"....

Atheist in a mini van. said...

Guess you're referring to other pages?
Sorry, I should've been more clear. I was referring to our thoughts about Tacky the Penguin. In that: it's very familiar and comforting to us, but... the emotional tie to the book doesn't make the penguin any more factual.

Anonymous said...

#3 sounds like a very smart kid to me!

Nance

Berlzebub said...

P-Momma said:
More commonly, I'm just bowled over by the simplicity of the child's perspective. Adults crap ideas up with semantics and ideologies... kids just say it like it is. I love that! I'm glad that someone else enjoys them. :)

Alyx said:
Ironic that Jesus is quoted as saying we should all become "like little children"....

Exactly what I was gonna bring up, Alyx. A fundie troll at another blog once said something along the lines of, "We should believe like 5 year olds." Which, I, of course, found hilarious. Especially, now that a four year old explains why he's right. :-D

Keep up with the Nyquil, P-Momma. My wife's a nurse. Her moto is, "Better living through chemicals." I.e. Rx and OTC medication.

-Berlzebub

Russ said...

PMomma,

One of my regular stops on the web has many columns, one a week since 2001, dealing with social and religious issues, all authored by the delightful scholar William Edelen. The columns are short, usually just a few hundred words, and quite to the point. His bio says that he is trained in theology, but reading from those columns one is left with the sense of people-loving atheist. The content provides good reference material as quotes, book references and the like. He likes to get readers thinking, and he's not squeamish about pulverizing religious idiocy of every ilk.

http://williamedelen.com/columns.html

Particularly relevant to "I wish more adults would read the Bible in the same way that a four year old reads 'Tacky'," is the column, "BIBLE CENTERED LIVES" at

http://williamedelen.com/jan142007.html

I hope the name of the site doesn't have your visitors dismissing it at the outset; it's called "The William Edelen Ministries." The name stems from Mr. Edelen's desire to actually inform the public about the real content of religions.

Over the years, I've gained a lot of insight from Mr. Edelen's work.

Matt D. said...

"Momma. Even d'ough we w'ike him, he's still just pw'etend."

I don't know if that's more touching because it's insightful or just cute. Probably both.

This is one of the moments that makes me wish I had kids of my own.

On the other hand, I can enjoy other people's kids without the responsibility and yuckiness that might accompany that (I can't do diapers, I've tried many times and end up running out site to wretch. I'm just not built for it, I guess.)

:)

Atheist in a mini van. said...

On the other hand, I can enjoy other people's kids without the responsibility and yuckiness that might accompany that (I can't do diapers, I've tried many times and end up running out site to wretch. I'm just not built for it, I guess.)


I never, ever imagined I'd have one...let alone four.

I have a few childfree friends who rent out my kids on occasion. ;) And, I don't care what people will tell you- diapers DO NOT get easier/better... you just get used to them.

Stephanie said...

"If a four year old gets it......why can't an adult?"

I've often wondered the same thing. Russell, on the Non-Prophets, has mentioned that he plays real/not real with his son. We have done the same thing with our kids since they were each about 3. They had no problem understanding the concept of real vs. pretend.

I've also thought about this when teaching my kids about evolution (we just had a 3 day long Darwin Day celebration!). My son (6) is just starting to understand some of the concepts. I think my daughter (4) is starting to understand some of it, but she is more interested in the fun stuff like drawing our rendition of the Tree of Life. Neither of our kids have a problem with the idea. I dread the day that they tell my in-laws about what they've learned. That will be the day they discover that not everyone believes what the evidence says.
It just goes to show that when one is not taught that fairy tales are real, one can understand reality so much better.

Cogito said...

Well, now you've gone and done it - you've encouraged me to start my own blog with a related post. Thanks for the inspiration!

Come to think of it, though, what we've both said is largely covered in the old tale of the Emperor's New Clothes. Sometimes only children, who haven't learned all the illogical garbage we adults have, can see things clearly.

Mike Crichton said...

Hee! I remember when my niece Destiny was 3, and one night when I was visiting, she came down stairs and climbed onto the counch I was sleeping on and said "Unca Miko, I'm skawed of monstows." When I explained that there were no such thing as monsters, that they were just pretend, she impatiently said "I'm skawed of _pwetend_ monstows." :-D

scott said...

P'Momma - Here's one that I thought you would enjoy. My wife on occasion drags me and the kids to Catholic mass (long story). After the most recent excursion, my 9 year old asked about the priest and why he didn't have kids. She gave the standard answer about being married to god. The 7 year old then pipes up and says "you're kidding, right Mom?". She says not really, then he says to me "She's joking, right Dad?".

Seems to me a perfect test for a dumb idea - see if a 7 year old thinks it is a joke!

Talhat family. said...

Hi. Don't know where to put this but I need to say that from all of us we are sorry. I started reading about you and your family back when Will read your kid's essay to us. I can't even get words to say how bad this is. Not you. Will's actions. This has been a bad time for my sister and I. I will be 19 in April. My sister is 16. My sister is the one who talked to that officer. Now that I see how he acted I wish I could have talk to him to. What he did was crud and we talked with our family and we have left his church. It was lame anyways. When my mom heard about what happened she swore. We wanted your kid to know that not all of us suck. I read this whole blog and I think that you talk about some stuff that is important. My dad even checked out some of the books that you talk about and some links. Its hard for us to read some of it but my dad says that you haven't lied. He is not even in to church and stuff but my mom is. Anyways had to tell you to keep posting and we feel bad that he did that to your kid. So not cool.

Anonymous said...

to the william edelen website:
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!

i mean seriously?? all over the world [the entire world] for centuries through all types of religions, women were considered inferior. i mean seriously. you guys have to do a better job. he's basically saying why would a black be a republican. its freaking perspective. of course, duhhh, we dont have the same perspective as they did; and never will.

you guys seem so bent on bumping the Bible. but you dont understand the essence of it all. FAITH. obviously you guys werent taught this in catholic school or where ever you went.

i dunno. i guess because i do understand where you guys could be coming from, but i dont think guys think where a lot of christians come from. aethists should try different christanties other than catholic [which honestly, i dont believe should be considered christian. they have a Pope for goodness sake!!]

but anyway. i think this was more jeered towards the website.